[–] WhoFramedReaderRabit 4 points 30 points 34 points (+34|-4) ago
Man has a point. I love how the left assumes if were just nice and give them free shit, they'll stop attacking us.
[–] YourDumbWhat 1 point 1 point 2 points (+2|-1) ago (edited ago)
I love how the left assumes if were just nice and give them free shit, they'll stop attacking us
Really? Who on the left is saying this?
Pretty sure the discrepency between right and left regarding welfare is that the right believes welfare does more harm than good, while the left thinks welfare (and other govt. benefits) provide enough good that the small amount of those abusing the system is acceptable. Like, yes, exploitation should be minimized, but to deny benefits from the many who these programs help in order to punish some bad apples is unfair to the many who are in need of temporary help and are not bad apples.
You've a rather hyperbolic idea of how the left views this. And granted, while views vary on a person to person basis (just as they do all across the political spectrum, it's unfair to lump everyone on the left with this absurd straw man you've built to describe them.
Giving out "free shit" isn't going to eliminate shitty people from the world, nor is telling everyone they're on their own and they can fuck themselves if they hit hard times.
[–] thefedisascam 9 points 21 points 30 points (+30|-9) ago
The point of welfare (paying people to not work) isn't to help society but to destroy it (see any predominantly black neighborhood).
[–] whisky_cat 1 point 1 point 2 points (+2|-1) ago
I know people that welfare actually helped. I'm not huge on Federal welfare but I've seen it positively effect some lives. Thus sweeping statements are dangerous.
That's the problem with economics it deals with aggragate data that isn't aimed at everyone.
But most people do forget the opportunity costs. Say those people that used the system were able to save more in case of the threat of lost employment. The lack of benifits would equal an equally lower tax rate to allow the extra savings but reduce bureaucracy and allow comoound interest to be applied before it was needed.
However, some people may not have had the ability to work long enough to be able to save, so while there's an overall increase to the aggragate economy this would be an inequality.
Instead of the current social setup you could take out employment insurance young in the form of loan with the condition that you pay it back later once your working again.
(This arguement was for EI not disability welfare)
Disability welfare is just an unfortunate social cost we all pay. like an insurance policy for everyone.
[–] thefedisascam ago
Only if it is voluntary and not coerced by the guns of the state.
[–] Yukonman 2 points 25 points 27 points (+27|-2) ago
I'm not a supporter of it.
People use to have to save money for a rainy day. Now they depend on social benifits to cover them in the event of a job loss.
This provides a disincentive to save. We can find causation on the data series that proves Marginal Propensity to Save decreases as social benifits increase.
This becomes a problem, under the Solow Growth Model long run economic growth depends on a high MPS.
This hurts us in the long run and drives the inequality rate up. The largest factor for personal wealth and financial improvement is the individuals savings rates and the saving rates of their parents.
If we look at countries that have had the highest growth, it's the countries that have the highest marginal propensity to save.
Now counties in Europe have found ways around increasing savings rate while managing social benifits but it's not something the US does and as a result the policies hurt our economy and inflict a system of economic stagnation on individuals.
Source: Masters in Economics
[–] anonlymouse 2 points 3 points 5 points (+5|-2) ago
You do want an income floor so that you don't have a domino effect every time someone loses a job. There is a proper way to do welfare, but it's very minimal, and the key is to remove as many barriers to employment as there are (such as minimum wage), and you also can't have open borders and a welfare system.
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