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[–] Somali ago  (edited ago)

If Russia shot down every NATO plane that triggers its airspace and NATO did the same you'd be living Fallout 4 rather than playing it.

Turkey violates Syrian and Greek airspace daily. When Syria shot down a Turkish plane in 2012 Edrogan flat out stated that the plane being in Syrian airspace for a little time is no justification for it.

Turkey knew that the bomber was targeting rebels in Syria and was no threat to Turkey. If the bomber really did enter Turkish airspace for 5 seconds you send an escort and establish a visual. But it was shot down over Syria by a plane registered by Hmeymim radars to have gone into Syrian airspace to do it. Russian command confirmed that they got no warnings from the plane and Turkey hasn't published any supposed audios of communication. It was clear they're covering their ass the moment they instantly ran to summon NATO before even establishing a line of dialog with Russia.

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[–] DickHertz 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

The crash site was 4km outside of Turkey. If they detected the missile and went to full speed that's like twelve seconds away so that hardly proves that they were shot down by a plane already in in Syria. Last time they overflew Turkey the Russians claimed it was accidentally caused by bad weather as if we are supposed to believe Russian bombers are incapable of navigation in bad weather. Come on.

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[–] Somali ago  (edited ago)

The border is only clearly outlined on a map. In the real world the border between Syria and Turkey in that part is an invisible line going through forests and mountains. It's entirely possible to slightly go into their airspace in bad weather if you're bombing a group right on the border, and Russia did acknowledge and apologize for it then. And again, in that case you send an escort/contact the plane since it's obvious as hell it's not targeting anything in Turkey and Turkey itself violates sovereign airspace all the fucking time.

Edrogan also went out of his way to state that the bomber was attacking their "brother and sister" Turkmen, so it's pretty obvious that Turkey was acting as their air force in this case.

Russians were dumb for sending in the bomber unsupported by fighter jets given Turkey's prior threats but at least now their air defense systems will be covering every bomber that goes through there.