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[–] tommychicago 1 point 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

This is why I think Bernie is correct when he says we need a Muslim coalition to defeat Isis. This is not something a western secular democracy can fix its about Islam and its meaning.

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[–] didntsayeeeee 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I'm all for letting Muslims sort out their problems between themselves. But they need to be isolated from the civilised world while they do it.

Send em all to the Middle East and let nobody out for a century.

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[–] tommychicago 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

That makes sense. I finally came over from reddit, were they act like the precious refugees are just a gift from god himself.

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[–] BoiseNTheHood 2 points 0 points (+2|-2) ago 

If this is what they consider "reform," I don't even want to imagine what it will look like when they're satisfied and no longer think it needs reforming.

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[–] Le_Squish ago 

People forget the violent history of Christianity. We are seeing the same things with Islam now. Christians too once murdered othets and their own people in horrific fashion for the same reasons Isis does now. There are people that benefit from a violent, millitant Islam (primarily the US) but if most Muslims agreed with this sentiment Isis numbers would easily swell to the millions and we'd all been over run years ago.

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[–] whitewomenarewhores ago 

Muslims need to feel like the biggest threat to them is Islam before a wide scale renovation can occur. But once you consider how Muslims are the biggest victims of Islamic terrorism by far already, it's hard to imagine exactly what it would take to wake them the fuck up. I'm honestly surprised that the peoples of Iraq and Syria haven't completely denounced Islam in it's current state after their blood and land was brutalized by self appointed true Muslims. There are a few sects of Islam that on paper appear to be actually quite moderate, but their numbers are minuscule.

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[–] Le_Squish ago 

Let us remember history, they did reject fundamentalism. The US in cahoots with various other nations systematically dismantled many progressive middle-eastern governments over the past 80 years or so but supporting terrorism and despots. We supported the Taliban and look what it did to Afghanistan. We supported Saddam back in the day as well and turned a blind eye to his atrocities. We still support the Saudis.

When you are afraid and focused on living day to day you can't see the bigger picture It's hard to find solutions to problems that you don't understand especially when assholes are constantly arming homicidal extremist and bombing your country back to the stone age on a regular basis.