[–] Truly 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago (edited ago)
Islam, like Judaism, is both a culture and a race.
I'm having trouble finding any sources that support your definition. Are you claiming that if someone converts to islam their race changes?
If there is then we have to ask ourselves whether that applies to all populations, or just some populations. Reference my link to a poll showing that 59% of Americans supported torture.
I already addressed that, I am holding America to the same standard. I take the tough stance of explaining why I support EIT. I just think the muslims supporting terror should do the same, either change your stance or explain your reasoning.
EIT? That's the label the American government put on techniques they prosecuted the Japanese for engaging in during the Yokohama Class B and C War Crimes Trials in 1947 - it was torture then and it's torture now, only the label was changed because this time it was the good guystm who were engaged in it and they needed a prettier face for it.
Personally I believe that as soon as we begin to engage in the practices of tose we label barbaric how different are we from them?
I don't know, this is a topic I've gone back and forth on- but ended up in the camp supporting its use in limited scenarios. If the director of the CIA says it came up with actionable intel and helped stop further attacks then I feel the downsides are worth it. But again, I waffle on this and its a tough topic for me to decide the "right" side on.
We are clearly quite different when we use EIT on less than 40 people during a decade and our enemies murder wholesale random people at every opportunity. I am much more opposed to our invasion of Iraq than our use of EIT.
Edit: Also wanted you to know I'm not downvoting you, and whoever is should stop. This is a discussion we're both contributing to.
[–] shorternet [S] 1 point -1 points 0 points (+0|-1) ago
One of the traits, to be sure a common trait, of Islamic culture is following the teachings of Muhammad. That does not mean however that every member of the Islamic culture is a follower of Muhammad as the culture also includes secular and Christian members.
The we agree, however as evidenced by the links that I provided not all Muslim people support terror so making blanket statements about Muslims and terror is inappropriate. The president of Indonesia (Joko Widodo) is Muslim, he heads a wealthy country that is part of the G20 meetings our Prime Minister is currently attending, its population is just shy of 90% Muslim. Would it be appropriate for our PM to ask him if he is sorry for what radical Muslims from another country did? Does he have anything to answer for for crimes committed by others following a warped version of his religion half a world away? Does the Prime Minister of Turkey (Ahmet Davutoğlu) who will be sitting at the same table have anything to answer for? Turkey is also a predominately Muslim country (99% Muslim) and Mr. Davutoglu is most certainly Muslim.
If the answer is no, then neither do Muslims in downtown Toronto.
This is consistent with what I said earlier, "And my point is that we should hold those with abhorrent ideological views responsible for the consequences of them." But since all Muslims do not support these abhorrent views and practices.......
I don't really want to get into a discussion of it, it was used as an example. You (regardless of the nature of the face you choose to put upon it) support the practice, at least in certain circumstances, much like, I assume, some Muslims support abhorrent acts - in certain circumstances.
It's a sad world we live in.
Thank you. In truth I wondered as it's a single downvoat each and we are the only two engaged in the conversation, but I believe you. That said, if I was worried about the level of my imagery Internet points I wouldn't engage in the discussion of controversial subjects :-)