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[–] Truly 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

A sign calling out people of a religious faith isn't racist, islam isn't a race.

I am merely saying hypothetically, its reasonable to ask a group in which 20% support it their feelings on a terrorist attack, and if they're sorry. Do you think there is a point at which a significant percentage of a population supporting a thing before they become somewhat complicit?

I think there are situations where EIT is justified, I fully accept that if that is wrong I'm complicit. I'm simply saying it might not be unreasonable to do the same for muslims.

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[–] shorternet [S] 1 point -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

islam isn't a race.

Islam, like Judaism, is both a culture and a race.

Do you think there is a point at which a significant percentage of a population supporting a thing before they become somewhat complicit?

If there is then we have to ask ourselves whether that applies to all populations, or just some populations. Reference my link to a poll showing that 59% of Americans supported torture.

I think there are situations where EIT is justified.....

EIT? That's the label the American government put on techniques they prosecuted the Japanese for engaging in during the Yokohama Class B and C War Crimes Trials in 1947 - it was torture then and it's torture now, only the label was changed because this time it was the good guystm who were engaged in it and they needed a prettier face for it.

Personally I believe that as soon as we begin to engage in the practices of tose we label barbaric how different are we from them?

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[–] Truly 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Islam, like Judaism, is both a culture and a race.

I'm having trouble finding any sources that support your definition. Are you claiming that if someone converts to islam their race changes?

If there is then we have to ask ourselves whether that applies to all populations, or just some populations. Reference my link to a poll showing that 59% of Americans supported torture.

I already addressed that, I am holding America to the same standard. I take the tough stance of explaining why I support EIT. I just think the muslims supporting terror should do the same, either change your stance or explain your reasoning.

EIT? That's the label the American government put on techniques they prosecuted the Japanese for engaging in during the Yokohama Class B and C War Crimes Trials in 1947 - it was torture then and it's torture now, only the label was changed because this time it was the good guystm who were engaged in it and they needed a prettier face for it.

Personally I believe that as soon as we begin to engage in the practices of tose we label barbaric how different are we from them?

I don't know, this is a topic I've gone back and forth on- but ended up in the camp supporting its use in limited scenarios. If the director of the CIA says it came up with actionable intel and helped stop further attacks then I feel the downsides are worth it. But again, I waffle on this and its a tough topic for me to decide the "right" side on.

We are clearly quite different when we use EIT on less than 40 people during a decade and our enemies murder wholesale random people at every opportunity. I am much more opposed to our invasion of Iraq than our use of EIT.

Edit: Also wanted you to know I'm not downvoting you, and whoever is should stop. This is a discussion we're both contributing to.