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[–] Dereliction 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

As such, if you argue that her version of rape culture is the correct one because it's being used, you can't also argue that rape culture does not exist in the West.

Nah, it's a bullshit stance because it effectively argues that because choices have consequences, we don't really have a choice because all choices are coerced. That is, it equates consequences with punishment. It attempts to transform otherwise expected or superficial consequences into a platform for claiming victimization (and therefore labeling society as embracing a "rape culture.")

Because every individual in modern society has some power, refusal to give consent can result in punishment of some form.

Here, it appears that you're using "punishment" to mean "consequence" as outlined above. If a woman turns down the advance of a man and he's upset or saddened or even angry, is that a punishment for her? Is that what you're going to describe as rape culture?

If you want to see a true rape culture, look at American male prisons. Not only can refusal to "consent" in a prison result in actual punishment, it's a place where authorities routinely overlook such violence, and where those outside prison trivialize and make humor from prison rape.

Contrast that environment to the experience of American women and there's almost none of those elements at work, certainly to a far lesser extent even when they are present, and where women, as an ordinary and frequent occurrence, reject the advances of men without any punishment at all.

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