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[–] Aaaron 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

The only incentive an engineer would have to sabotage that is one that an executive would establish. They are so full of shit it's infuriating.

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[–] nicky_haflinger 1 point 7 points (+8|-1) ago 

So certainly all the engineers on the project violated their professional ethics, but this betrays a fundamental failure in the understanding of the role of management, which is responsibility. Obviously accepting a position of responsibility for a situation you do not understand is quite bad but it is also standard operating procedure ie SNAFU (acronym nsfw)

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[–] dontdoxxmebro 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

The role of management has nothing to do with responsibility; Unless you consider responsibility and profit the same thing.

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[–] Oveass 3 points 2 points (+5|-3) ago 

Engineering doesn't have a code of ethics like the doctors. And I sincerely doubt it's a few rogue employees of VW when the problem is spread across several brand using that BOSH ecu. It might be a few employees of the holding of the multiple manufacturers, but it's from top down.

If you look at who cheats best it's mercedes, they rose to 150% on their E class cars. BMW does this as well, PSA does this,... it's not only VW so I think it unlikely it's only a few rogue low levels at VW.

Pure speculation: I think eu law pushed manufactures to cheat, bosh found a solution, under the table offered this to a bunch of companies, good money for bosh, competitive specs for the manufacturers, big bosses everywhere happy.

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[–] nicky_haflinger 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Engineer certainly do have a professional code of ethics although you are right it isn't as straightforward as the doctor's "first do no harm"

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[–] LusciousFox 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Although thats America, Engineers in Australia do due to membership of EA being a requirement to practice Engineering.

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[–] 2759650? 0 points 19 points (+19|-0) ago 

These executives are liars or else that means that they got paid way too much for being ignorant of what their people do.

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[–] YallJusRaycis 1 point 44 points (+45|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Total bullshit. Engineers build what they're told to build and it's the executives' responsibility to approve what goes out the door. Shitty illegal software on millions of cars doesn't mean that engineers knew they were breaking the law. It's totally possible to silo engineers so that they don't know what they're working on. If they had known a lot of them would probably have left. I had a boss with a high security clearance who worked on systems that stored nuclear bomb test data and had no idea what he was working on until he pieced it together from circumstantial clues.

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[–] FlintRockBone 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

I think this is the most likely answer, on a large enough team you can appropriately silo your engineers and then have a small team integrate the code in such a way that it would have violated the professional ethics of the engineers that wrote the underlying code. It's always hard to tell exactly what happened, maybe they had such a shitty development workflow that a single engineer could pull it off. I don't think that's likely though.