[–] crazyjuan 0 points 15 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago
If you want other people to see SJWs the way you do, you have to focus on the right things. Talk about how their belief in moral relativism makes them defend paedophiles and structural oppression in Arab countries. Choose the battlefields that you challenge them on, don't let them choose. They want you to complain about Jenner, because they have some basic arguments to make you look stupid and intolerant to the rest of the population.
When people make a point of calling Jenner 'Bruce', rather than 'Caitlyn', an easy rebuttal is "have you never heard of deed poll, you make it sound like people can't change their names", thus making you look stupid and blinded by your own intolerance. When you focus on pronouns, they can say you have no respect for other people, again they chose the battlefield because they know you will lose in the eyes of everyone else.
I reiterate, choose your battles. When they provoke you with this type of bullshit, don't engage, don't even respond, it's pointless and irrelevant. Make them answer for why they defend paedophiles, or why they defend rampant sex slavery, stoning, domestic violence in the middle east. Choose the battles you know they can't win.
[–] Dereliction 2 points 9 points 11 points (+11|-2) ago (edited ago)
Here's the thing: Caitlyn Jenner isn't a woman. Everything else is bullshit. It doesn't matter what Caitlyn calls himself, or what he thinks or feels like inside his head. He's a man playing as a woman because he wants to do so, but it doesn't change what he is.
Maybe in the future he'll get surgery and alter that classification, but until then, everything else that can be said about him is bullshit.
[–] green_man 0 points 4 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago
I thought he had the surgery. In any event, just because you mutilate your penis and shove it in your abdomen doesn't negate the fact that you still have a penis. Whatever Bruce wants to call himself, and whatever surgery he gets done he'll always be a male in my book.
[–] septopus 1 point 1 point 2 points (+2|-1) ago
There is a new line of thinking when dealing with the those who suffer delusions, such as those with Alzheimer's, that believes the best way to handle the delusions is to just play along. Its easier for all involved. Jenner is a dude who had cosmetic surgery to better fit his desires. I dont know if its caused by delusions, but something is 'different' there. I say let him have this. It's no skin off my back.
(I feel sex changes are nothing but genital mutilation)
[–] Dereliction 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago (edited ago)
How far do we allow these delusions to go?
Do you recommend he use womens' bathrooms? Can he apply for federal aid as a woman? Should he be allowed to stay at a safe home for battered women?
Or do we instead recognize this for what it is--a man with delusions of being or wanting to be a woman? He has every right to dress and act however he wants, but I don't think it's helping anyone to cater to the delusion by pretending he's something that he is not. At the least, society shouldn't have to bend so willingly or so far to satisfy a very small number of individuals suffering from gender confusion.
[–] Redeyedjedi 3 points 2 points 5 points (+5|-3) ago
Why are you calling it she?
[–] barset 1 point 4 points 5 points (+5|-1) ago
A dude could be built like a linebacker and have a beard to his feet, but if they want to be called she who am I to argue their choices. It's not going to make them a female as long as they've got a dong swinging below.
I call my cat a dog because she's usually being a bitch, doesn't make her a dog and not going to stop me from calling her one. Seriously though that cats a bitch.
[–] billie-jean 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
But you don't think it's a lot to ask of people? I had a friend that I had known for years. One day she told me that she wanted to be called "he". Fine, whatever, but don't get all pissy with me when I accidentally call you by the name I've known for years or mix up some pronouns. Anyway, I tried to look past it and remain friends. I was supportive, tried my best to keep shit the way they wanted. Anyway, we're not friends anymore because, surprise, they became a totally different person and a cunt every time I accidentally said "she". So fuck you, you made your choice by being a bitch and taking it way too damn far by trying to get people who've known you as "she" for years suddenly refer to as "he" when we all know damn well you've got a pussy and tits.
Okay, rant over, sorry.
[–] itsmemom97 2 points -2 points 0 points (+0|-2) ago (edited ago)
That's fucking stupid. So now you need to want to have sex with someone to prove it's a woman? I know enough female fucking hamplanets i would never want to fuck. I don't care about this Jenner creature but leave them the fuck alone if the only thing you can do is use flawed logic on them.
Unless some certified chick comes on here who says she fucked you you're a cunt. Go wash the sand out of your vagina. Bitch.
I consider myself a SJW to a degree..If she wants to be treated and addressed as a woman... Well I dont know her and dont have to worry about. I would indulge 'her' if 'she' was part of my life I guess, but my feelings are that 'she' is a dude without a penis, with a hole gouged out between her crotch with some fake tits. Now if that is what you wanna be, or if you think that makes you a woman, I suppose there are worse things... But have any of you ever watched a sex change? Traces Of Death contains footage of a sex change. It looks fucken horrifying. And say good bye to sexual satisfaction. 'She' will never have an orgasm again. And how does that thing clean itself? I'd fuck Barbara bush... I'm not fucking Jenner. I want Jenner to be treated fairly and all that, but Jenner isnt entitled to be free from ridicule.. Nothing is. There are no sacred cows. All things can be joked about, or discussed. I draw the line at being too much of a dick.
Howard Stern has interviewed lots people over the decades who had sex changes. They all seem to end up depressed and unhappy. One can only really feel bad for Jenner knowing that 'she' will never really know peace and happiness. Just seems sad.
[–] ThisWeirdIndividual 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago (edited ago)
Jenner still has a penis? I thought he was a transexual, not a travestite...
Wtf.
So, according to their logic, we should call it "woman" but still, we have the right to not call it "female", right? Confusing shit.
[–] turd_miner91 0 points 20 points 20 points (+20|-0) ago
He's a man not because of a penis, but because of his chromosomes.
[–] LazarusLong 1 point 5 points 6 points (+6|-1) ago
Not really, he's a man because of how his chromosomes and his mother's body influenced hormone levels during prenatal development and how his developing body responded to those hormones.
In simplistic terms, all human bodies start out "female" and are turned male, in the womb, by certain hormones. This process can go off course for a number of reasons.
If it went off course at the right time and for the right amount of time, theoretically he could actually have a female brain or extremely feminine brain in his otherwise male body.
One extreme example of this hormone process being altered is in individuals with Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome.
How you want to define sex, gender, w/e in this complex process is something I could give less of a shit about.
I suppose the best way to get a good idea would be to cut his brain open after he dies and look at certain sexually dimorphic structures.
At the end of the day, everyone owns their body and can do whatever they want to it, and everyone else has the right to their own opinion.
[–] voat-ist 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
When you say female brain, you are making a mistake. A brain inside of a male body is a male brain. Even if it doesn't conform to some predetermined type.
[–] 2584361? ago
I want to sell my kidney. Why the fuck aren't I allowed to do it legally?
[–] TheDude2 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
X-Y or X-X. That is all there is to it.
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