[–] imrdy_win_ur 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
I agree completely. I am curious to see how this site plays out. I also spent almost all of my time on reddit lurking. I didn't seem to care what was said on most sub's. But I didn't like the way certain sub's like news, world news or conspiracy were being controlled, censored and influenced by the moderators. We will see. They can say what they want. Without control of the moderator it may stop the censorship. Hopefully without the corporate control at the top we will have what redddit was a few years ago.
[–] poppysquash [S] 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Yeah, the worst bit of it is that we could be censored and not really know about it until after the fact. If you look at undelete, conspiracy and friends, people have only figured out censorship and deletions after a bit of investigating. Imagine what we're missing or what's being squashed before we can find it.
We need automatic logs of moderator actions. Heck, i'd say it's not too far for any moderators actions to be visible, as it relates to or occurs on the subverse.
I would say anyone tagged as a mod has to create a mod account. No user mods.
Mod accounts are 100% transparent. Click a mod, you can see every post, action, PM, etc. No ability to vote, either.
If a user is a mod, that mod is linked to the account clearly. (user account contents retain normal user privacy). One Mod account per user account.
[–] Rubashov 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
I agree with most of what you say, but I have observed in the past that hoping a community remains "small" is not a healthy mindset. If we are achieving our aims of an open and free place of discussion, naturally the community is going to grow. A feeling of the 'old guard' being unwelcoming towards new users quickly spoils the conversation, and is it itself just another way of stifling free discussion, eventually resulting in the dreaded groupthink that has been a key factor in our move here.
What is of vital importance is to uphold all of the principles that make the community great in the first place, and welcome those who share our vision for the future.
Also hi guys, nice to find you all.
[–] poppysquash [S] ago
On a fundamental level I agree with you. Nothing is worse than trying to join a community you just found and would really like but being turned away because you werent a member for a long time.
However the basis of reddit and voat having karma means that once a community expands, you have the well documented phenomena of the community moving towards fluff content. In my mind, this is an even worse fate than what you described in your post. hence I'm a fan of keeping the community small or the barrier of entry high, only to filter out trolls. Yes I do realise it will also filter out the speed of lower-effort individuals but in my opinion that's okay as a trade off.
TLDR: removing karma would be a great experiment.
[–] poppysquash [S] 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
I see you on many websites :P. Nice to meet you to
Arguing with people over dumb things, navigating seemingly endless or sporadic moderation.
It's just a coincidence, but I was actually rambling to my girlfriend and her mother about reddit and the stupid engagements that I get involved in. They mentioned that it has seemed to take me away from a lot of my hobbies and things that I've wanted to do... I hadn't really realized that. And although it seems I've simply replaced reddit with voat, the conversations I've had here are more sparse (less users and content) and more stimulating. It's not as much of a sinkhole (for both my time and my brain) as reddit was.
[–] poppysquash [S] 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Absolutely, i realised if I added a large part of my reddit time, like 80% it was me just reading threads I didn't care or arguing with people. I could have invested that into something useful and have been a lot of a better person than I was. It also gave me an excuse to be lazy and think to myself "eh, everyone on reddit is like this, so I don't need to change". I'm slowly undoing everything
[–] CaffeineDrip 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
So true. Stuff like THIS really sets it apart from the low effort crapola on Reddit!
[–] mintbanana 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Well the mid level shit on reddit is smart. The top level shit is dumb. And the bottom level shit it stupid as FUCK.
Meanwhile on voat its all mixed up. Its a different site for sure.
[–] OldRedditGuy 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Hi @poppysquash
I think that if we keep the measures to keep decent voat (Mod's logs, limit upvoats an downvoats)... reddit could have been saved if reddit devs moved their ass and did this stuff like Voat Devs
[–] yah5 0 points 3 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago (edited ago)
Things I'm starting to hate with a passion from reddit:
[–] poppysquash [S] 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
Yeah, i don't use facebook or other social media but i hoped that the 14 year olds would go flock there... I was once 14 and it was cool, but I really want to move on to a website where the majority are well out of high school.
Factually correct information battles were the worst. People just went silent or never replied if you brang in facts, and half the arguments were conjecture vs conjecture. Maybe only once or twice have I seen people back up their statements and proceed. Otherwise like you said, you'd be downvoted to invisibility.
Reddit as a use of an advertising platform was annoying. I tried to stay out of it but it was hard to