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[–] sachianakatoni 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Pro & I live in Washington.

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[–] hyperaddic 1 point 1 point (+2|-1) ago 

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[–] razzliox 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Legalize it [4]

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[–] thatrepublicanguy 3 points -1 points (+2|-3) ago 

I think only dumb ass stoners and drug addicts want this drug legalized. Keep it illegal, I thank God I live in Oklahoma where I know they would never ruin our state with drugs.

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[–] kultfollower 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

You do know there's massive amounts of drugs in every state, legal or not, right?

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[–] The_Monarch 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

So is that your thing? I saw your username and can't help but ask if you're a novelty account that is just stereotypically republican.

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[–] nahyeah 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

It's harmless so if people want it people should be allowed it, people shouldn't be spending their lives behind bars for providing it

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[–] Hektik 2 points 4 points (+6|-2) ago 

Pro: It was only outlawed to disenfranchise Negroes and Hispanics. No one gives a shit about the consumption of personal recreational cannabis unless they get paid to outlaw it.

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[–] whisky_cat 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

There's a bit more to it than that.

Marijuana was legislated against in the '30s because:

  • Hemp threatened the textile industry, where any marijuana grower could produce their own fabrics with the free plant.

  • Hemp oil threatened the oil industry, where any marijuana grower could produce oil useful for tractors and automobiles with the free plant.

  • Marijuana usage threatened the known conventional medicine industry.

First the US Congress (colluding with industry, and with the media publishing propaganda) reacted by passing the Marijuana Tax Act of 1937. Later the act would be interpreted as criminal law, shortly followed by the sweeping 1970 Controlled Substance Act which sadly categorized marijuana exclusively with the most dangerous substances.

The Controlled Substance Act - and things like cocaine and crack flooding urban areas - is where your argument of disenfranchising the minorities is better framed. And I'd say "disenfranchising" is a hell of a euphemism.

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[–] dylbobagginses [S] 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

What do you mean it was outlawed to disenfranchise Negroes and Hispanics? I feel like that could be a story I would like to hear more about.

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[–] let_them_eat_slogans 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

...Harry Anslinger, the father of the war on weed, fully embraced racism as a tool to demonize marijuana. As the first commissioner of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics, a predecessor to the Drug Enforcement Administration, Anslinger institutionalized his belief that pot's "effect on the degenerate races" made its prohibition a top priority. Here are just a few of his most famous (and most racist) quotes:

"There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the U.S., and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz and swing result from marijuana use. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers and any others."

“Reefer makes darkies think they're as good as white men."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/14/marijuana-prohibition-racist_n_4590190.html

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[–] kurtznnj 1 point 4 points (+5|-1) ago  (edited ago)

I'm ambivalent and as a libertarian believe people should be able to smoke without fear of being locked in a cage. But I've seen it destroy otherwise very capable and smart people. The smartest person I ever knew was a chronic weed smoker and he/she did not live to his/her potential.

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[–] dylbobagginses [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

What do you mean it destroyed them? Like did they stop trying as hard to accomplish things, or because they got arrested for it?

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[–] whisky_cat 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

I'm gonna double-up on replies here. Another viewpoint I have. I was also a marijuana dealer for most of the time I was in high school and college. Besides not having to pay for weed and making money, in the course I introduced many first-timers to marijuana. Many times, I was their for the first time they got high and observed the experiences... at least of dozen of them, probably more.

At least 3 out of 4 of those sessions generally went smooth. For some it was an instant hit. For some they became tired or paranoid, but got home safely, marijuana didn't catch on for some of those people, and others it just took more exploration.

That last 1 out of 4 sessions that didn't go smooth. I have some stories.

  • One guy, we honestly over-pressured when he was ultimately not wanting - or ready - to try marijuana. He was in our car, and after some time when we came to a stop he actually opened the car door and ran home. To be honest, I guess he parents taught him well. On the other hand, years later I randomly did cocaine with his brother at a general house party.

  • One guy became socially awkward while very high, and made some dumb comments towards the dealer I purchased from. The dealer didn't take it well, and threatened to fight him and pushed him. The anxiety and panic that guy experienced led him to screaming "I'm Sorry" repeatedly, until he got up and hurried home (which was across the street from said dealers house). He smoked again but scarcely.

  • One guy, who we believed was a chronic liar, broke down while we were standing around high trying to explain why we didn't believe his stories. He broke down and admitted he was a chronic liar, and we already knew he was lying to pretty much everyone ever about his life. We never did learn what he was covering up or how his life really was. I don't think he smoked again.

  • I've seen people get emotional and cry, but I've seen that with alcohol and other drugs plenty of times.

I'm probably missing other weird ones, but it was an edge case when things got out of hand on weed alone. Throw in other drugs & alcohol and the stories are endless.

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[–] whisky_cat 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

In my case, if I had dodged weed in my life, I would've likely been a smart Computer Science grad student employable right out of college. Perhaps I wouldn't have even needed college.

Well I smoked a ton of weed in high school and college - and while I did OK entering the labor force and getting hired for good jobs, the weed thing was definitely a set back.

If I learned programming in high school and/or college - instead of about 4 years after - I would have advanced any success I've had in life a great deal. So there's that.

But. I don't really regret it. Many fun years, great friendships, epic stories to remember. Then I got my shit together and pursued far more challenging things.

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[–] kurtznnj 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Symptoms resembling schizophrenia, paranoia, and related mental illness. I think it took the "drive" out of them too.

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[–] brainbaobao 0 points 13 points (+13|-0) ago 

Definitely pro. If someone doesn't want to use it, then don't. Treat it similarly to alcohol and tobacco. I also feel similarly regarding psychedelics.

I generally smoke a few bowls on the weekends to blow of steam from life. It also is a great tool for bonding between friends, if you find the right people. Not to mention there are countless people incarcerated for unthinkable amounts of time for nonviolent drug crimes.

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[–] MysteryMeat 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Psychedelics sound kind of awesome. I'd give them a shot if they were manufactured in a clean, consistent manner with some basic info on how potent they are.

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[–] brainbaobao ago 

I also wish they weren't schedule 1

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[–] dylbobagginses [S] 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

I agree that it can definitely help blow off the steam. Do you think socially it is important for smokes to hang around with smokers? Like easier for them to build relationships than smokers and non-smokers?

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[–] OneTrueCube 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

In my experience, smoking with someone is an almost-instant friendship. Barring if you're at like a party or something and it's all strangers.

However, I don't know how much of that is the act of smoking and how much is just personal interaction.

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[–] brainbaobao ago 

Important? Depends on the person. As for bond building, I do believe it I'd easier for smokers than non smokers, at least for the time being due to the stigma.

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