[–] Gake_The_Cake 1 point 1 point 2 points (+2|-1) ago
Morality is independent of emotion.
In cases, murder can be, not only acceptable, but a moral requirement to commit.
Whenever I say the above about murder people immediately stop and shout at me. They apparently believe that murder is always wrong, that life holds meaning, but it doesn't. Humans have proven through millennia that we don't give a flying shit about life- we just pretend to. As for what the above statement actually pertains to? Defensive war. Yeah, in reality people hate me for things that they agree with. It's quite hilarious, actually.
But in general emotions should have absolutely zero bearing on morality. Just because you feel bad about it doesn't mean it is bad and just because it makes you feel good doesn't mean it is good. This is a rule that people all too often ignore. Logic is not well known by most people.
[–] Facade 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
I mean...morality is nothing BUT emotion. I get it, you want to logically and rationally create a moral structure. I'm on board with that. The only thing logic can give you though is internal consistency. The problem is at a deeper level than that. Why have morality at all? Logically, you could point to many different consequential frameworks that certain rule sets aid society. Ok, but why aid society? At some point, you'll have to simply assert a value statement. Hell, even your belief in logic is itself a value statement. Go ahead and try to prove that logic is good using logic. It doesn't work like that.
With morality, you'll have to, at some point, assert an axiom which by definition means there is no underlying logical framework. That axiom is your starting point. Nothing beneath it. Your axiom might be "life has value", it might be "happiness is an end in itself", you might even put forward something as simple as "morality exists". All of these must be emotional though. They are something you simply feel is right, although gun to your head you could not logically deduce it to be true since there is no way to.
[–] Gake_The_Cake ago (edited ago)
"Survival is good."
Good defined as the desired outcome. I absolutely agree with you- that is the assumption I make. The rest of it however...
The reason I make the statement that morality should be independent of emotion is that emotion will cause severe harm to moral structures. Emotions are the best method to mind control and manipulate people.
[–] Thisismyvoatusername 2 points 1 point 3 points (+3|-2) ago
I think Dick Cheney was possibly the finest Vice President we had since Calvin Coolidge.
[–] toastedknuts 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Cats are Cunts.