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[–] EChondo 12 points 24 points (+36|-12) ago 

Yeah sorry everyone else, gonna side with T-Mobile here. T-Mobile is going after people who are abusing their mobile plans by going around the 7GB tethering limit. I'm on T-Mobile and go over 21GB on my phone regularly, nothing has happened to me nor has anyone contacted me.

You have unlimited mobile data, but you don't have unlimited tethering data. If they allowed unlimited tethering then what's the point in having home Internet when you can just tether your network to your phone? There's limits and restrictions for a reason.

Also it's not like T-Mobile has ever hidden this, it says there is a limit on tethering and that unlimited is only on smartphone's when you look at their plans: http://i.imgur.com/Z08Tocx.jpg

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[–] TheRealTruth [S] 4 points 22 points (+26|-4) ago 

If they allowed unlimited tethering then what's the point in having home Internet when you can just tether your network to your phone?

Good point, we shouldn't be paying for both.

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[–] ShowMeYourKitties 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago 

Yeah, if Tmobile offered unlimited tethering as an addon to my mobile plan I'd gladly pay the difference and get rid of comcast.

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[–] sniper98g 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

I have the unlimited 4G, use my phone constantly all day, only connect to wifi if I don't have 4G service, and do everything I want including occasional tethering. I rarely exceed 5GB per month. I could probably go down to a lower plan but it wouldn't save me much money. If people are going over 21GB, they are doing some crazy shit with their phones.

Also worth noting that even with the 21GB cap, I pay $20 per month for 21GB on each of my lines ($40 total) Verizon and AT&T both charge $300 per month for slightly less data than that.

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[–] Podunk 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I have unlimited on Verizon and I use at least 30 hours a month of streaming video. I watch/listen to various shows and baseball games everyday at work. Depending on the stream quality it can run at 2Gb per hour. What the fuck good is a smart phone with only 5 gigs of data? If all you use is WiFi then why not just have a flip phone and a tablet and save yourself thousands per year? If it's because a tablet is too big then just buy a used smartphone and take out the sim card.

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[–] avaimedia 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

If people are going over 21GB, they are doing some crazy shit with their phones.

Streaming video is not considered "crazy shit."

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[–] Tb0n3 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Use my phone constantly all day

mfw I've got over 50GB this month on Sprint.

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[–] Sosacms 2 points 4 points (+6|-2) ago 

Hmm, to me this is like the record companies saying customers should buy a CD/mp3 for every device. If you sell it, I'm using it however I like.

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[–] EChondo 4 points -1 points (+3|-4) ago 

Well sorry you see it that way, but if T-Mobile outlines very clearly on how they want you to use the connection you pay for and then you go out of your way to go around T-Mobile's outline then T-Mobile is fully within their right to terminate your service.

I hate that tethering has a limit as well, but the amount of crap I've been seeing on other forums like "T-Mobile is the new devil" is just asinine and unwarranted. This isn't something that cropped up over night, it's been this way for months now.

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[–] seth_storm 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Kind of hard to argue that when they arbitrarily switched people just to kill off grandfathered plans. If not for their interference, I would still be on a tzones plan that didn't give a damn about tethering.

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[–] TheBeesTrees 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

It's limited tethered. Like they state clearly in their terms.

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[–] jordan042 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Why should it matter if it's tethered or not? Data is data. Why does it matter which screen I use it on?

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[–] TopShelfPrivilege 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Just to back up TheBeesTrees point when someone inevitably asks: http://i.imgur.com/Z08Tocx.jpg

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[–] really_enthusiastic 1 point 1 point (+2|-1) ago 

Page Plus works fine for me. Unlimited text, unlimited minutes, and 1GB of data costs $39.95.

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[–] DrRedbeard 1 point -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

Cricket man. Unlimited minutes, unlimited texts, 2.5gb, $35

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[–] JohnDaRipp3r ago 

LOL, i agree with you bro. They are the ones getting angry for users buying into their false advertising. Two middle fingers for you T-Mobile!

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[–] zackogenic ago 

What about straight talk? Seems cheaper than Pageplus, 5gb of LTE for $45/month

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[–] waldojim42 2 points 12 points (+14|-2) ago 

Guess that makes me a thief, or an abusive customer. Don't care. Long time Verizon Wireless customer with unlimited data. And will continue to use my unlimited data until they force me out. I average about 30G/mo, peaking at about 350GB/mo. And frankly, I don't care. I paid for an unlimited plan, not whatever-they-feel-like.

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[–] TopShelfPrivilege 1 point 1 point (+2|-1) ago 

They're complaining about people abusing tethering. It says on the plan pages that ON SMARTPHONE data is unlimited, but tethering is not.

http://i.imgur.com/Z08Tocx.jpg

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[–] Cobra_Kai 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

This sounds an awful lot like a limit.

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[–] waldojim42 ago  (edited ago)

And it states right there in the article, that isn't true either. 21GB is the limit on smartphone. Which leads to the obvious questions: When isn't unlimited unlimited? And why the discrepancy?

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[–] Drenki 1 point 6 points (+7|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Tethering is essentially like doing all of your activity on your phone (browsing, downloading files, chat, voip calls, etc), but then immediately copying that information over to a computer via USB, wifi, bluetooth, etc.

Is there a cap on how much data you can copy from the phone to your computer over a USB cable? Show me where in their literature they make this absurd claim.

Differentiating tethering from regular phone use is just bullshit marketing from corporations trying to suck as much money as they can from you.

MBs doesn't even COST them anything. Not on their own at least. ISPs charge each other peering fees. You send me data at this rate at this price, I send you data at this rate for this price. Those fees are determined by the 95th percentile of traffic. Traffic is a rate, like 10mpbs or 100mpbs

Let's say T-Mobile had an arrangement with a peer (the ISP they connect to in order for their subscribers traffic to reach the rest of the internet) at 95th percentile of 100mbps (yes, unrealistically low, this is just an example). Traffic could flow at 95mbps and they would never hit an overage. As long as their customers pay their bills, there's no problem. If total traffic was at 5mbps, they'd make a pretty good profit. Obviously they want that case.

So how do they address the problem? Well, they just keep that link running at 95mbps. Subscribers would be locked into a certain transfer rate (95mbps / total number of active subscribers).

Problem solved, no overages, T-Mobile makes money, subscribers never hit a data cap. Everyone is happy. Well, maybe things feel slow sometimes, but only if the ISP had shitty infrastructure.

But companies are greedy. They want to screw you over as hard as they can. So what do they do?

Like I said, ISPs like T-Mobile, and the companies they peer to, negotiate prices based on link speeds (mbps).

But T-Mobile and other customer-facing ISPs (AT&T, Comcast, &c) charge customers by amount of data.

If they charged each customer based off link speed, all of this shit would go away.

What's even worse is that with peering agreements, if company A sends 100mbps of traffice to company B and company B sends the same RATE of traffic back, then they don't charge each other anything.

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[–] MagicHamsta ago  (edited ago)

Agreed. What's the point of "4g blazin fast omgbbq" speeds if I can only use that speed for less than a day in the entire month & get charged for "overages"?

I don't see my gas labeled as "unlimited 500 mph".

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[–] PM_ME_YOUR_BOOBS2 2 points 6 points (+8|-2) ago 

Man, this sucks I was almost kind of starting to think t mobile might be the underdog carrier that sets everything right with the Internet the chosen one so to speak but it turns out it's just another of our dark lord and masters. Fuck damnit shit god damnit motherfucker and tits.

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[–] MedicalMountainGoat 1 point 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

Corporations are inherently evil by design. The entire point is to maximize profits at any cost.

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[–] Drenki 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

A corporation is now, legally, a human without a soul or the ability to be sent to jail or imprisoned.

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[–] theoldguy 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Because that's what the stockholders who want instant gratification demand. A rational business would plan for the next 20 years, not 20 months, and show a bigger profit in the end.

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[–] PM_ME_YOUR_BOOBS2 ago 

But isn't there supposed to be some prophecy about a good corporation springing up and bringing balance to the economy or something?

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[–] TopShelfPrivilege ago 

How does this make them evil? They never tried to hide anything. It's very clearly shown what you're allowed to do. They explicitly state unlimited ON SMARTPHONE data, and 7GB of tethering, which is what T-Mobile is complaining about.

http://i.imgur.com/Z08Tocx.jpg

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[–] PM_ME_YOUR_BOOBS2 ago 

Evil is subjective I guess?

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[–] ShowMeYourKitties 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Hey now, don't bring tits into this. Tits are wonderful, superb sweaterpuppets and heavenly handpillows.

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[–] PM_ME_YOUR_BOOBS2 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Right right, I may have taken things a bit too far.

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[–] Nak 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

What's the over/under on length of time until the first legal case against T-Mobile for false advertising?

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[–] TopShelfPrivilege ago 

http://i.imgur.com/Z08Tocx.jpg

Please feel free to point out where you're being misled.

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[–] seth_storm 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

How Comcastic of you to defend their limits.

So data isn't data according to them if it isn't on the right interface. No wonder they wanted to plow people off the old (pre-SC) plans like unlimited t-zones that had no limit.

As for the fine print excuse, what about those on older plans?

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[–] hwood 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Stealing is the wrong word to use.

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[–] Areyouawhoreornot 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Fucking false advertising is what it is.

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