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[–] EChondo 12 points 24 points (+36|-12) ago 

Yeah sorry everyone else, gonna side with T-Mobile here. T-Mobile is going after people who are abusing their mobile plans by going around the 7GB tethering limit. I'm on T-Mobile and go over 21GB on my phone regularly, nothing has happened to me nor has anyone contacted me.

You have unlimited mobile data, but you don't have unlimited tethering data. If they allowed unlimited tethering then what's the point in having home Internet when you can just tether your network to your phone? There's limits and restrictions for a reason.

Also it's not like T-Mobile has ever hidden this, it says there is a limit on tethering and that unlimited is only on smartphone's when you look at their plans: http://i.imgur.com/Z08Tocx.jpg

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[–] TheRealTruth [S] 4 points 22 points (+26|-4) ago 

If they allowed unlimited tethering then what's the point in having home Internet when you can just tether your network to your phone?

Good point, we shouldn't be paying for both.

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[–] ShowMeYourKitties 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago 

Yeah, if Tmobile offered unlimited tethering as an addon to my mobile plan I'd gladly pay the difference and get rid of comcast.

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[–] Sosacms 2 points 4 points (+6|-2) ago 

Hmm, to me this is like the record companies saying customers should buy a CD/mp3 for every device. If you sell it, I'm using it however I like.

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[–] EChondo 4 points -1 points (+3|-4) ago 

Well sorry you see it that way, but if T-Mobile outlines very clearly on how they want you to use the connection you pay for and then you go out of your way to go around T-Mobile's outline then T-Mobile is fully within their right to terminate your service.

I hate that tethering has a limit as well, but the amount of crap I've been seeing on other forums like "T-Mobile is the new devil" is just asinine and unwarranted. This isn't something that cropped up over night, it's been this way for months now.

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[–] Eosh 3 points 1 point (+4|-3) ago 

Thank you for posting this instead of mindlessly parroting how T Mobile is crap and all the other expected rhetoric.

Disclaimer I do not have T Mobile, I have verizon and I hate it.

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[–] EChondo 4 points -1 points (+3|-4) ago  (edited ago)

You're welcome! Honestly I've been in some heated "discussions" with some other people on another forum I frequent, it's just ridiculous what other people are saying. This is nothing new and this restriction is not hidden in any way, shape, or form. It's very clearly outlined on their plans page, but for some reason people are now shitting on T-Mobile as if this is some 180 they are doing or they're turning into Hitler.

Personally I hate that tethering has a limit, but there is a limit and there's nothing I can do about it and if T-Mobile catches people going around that limit then I fully support T-Mobile terminating their service.

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[–] Sosacms 1 point -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

Hey, I love T-Mobile and been a customer across the country for 16 years. But data is data, if they sell me unlimited data I can download/purge all day long if I wanted to. That's on them for selling me unlimited.

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[–] brandon 2 points 2 points (+4|-2) ago  (edited ago)

It's even better because you can tell the people who did not read the article and are jumping on the "fuck T-Mobile" bandwagon here in the comments. The tethering limit is clearly stated. You can use unlimited data on your phone, 7GB tethered. If you're using an app, ROM, or anything else to bypass that limit, you're breaking the contract and terms of service. They're well within their rights to revoke your access to their network.

Edit : Oh shit, did I hurt fee fees or something? A contract and it's terms are laid out clearly. If you violate those, you can and will be penalized for it. That's how business works everywhere.

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[–] really_enthusiastic 1 point 1 point (+2|-1) ago 

Page Plus works fine for me. Unlimited text, unlimited minutes, and 1GB of data costs $39.95.

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[–] DrRedbeard 1 point -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

Cricket man. Unlimited minutes, unlimited texts, 2.5gb, $35

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[–] TheBeesTrees 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

It's limited tethered. Like they state clearly in their terms.

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[–] jordan042 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Why should it matter if it's tethered or not? Data is data. Why does it matter which screen I use it on?

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[–] TopShelfPrivilege 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Just to back up TheBeesTrees point when someone inevitably asks: http://i.imgur.com/Z08Tocx.jpg

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[–] zackogenic ago 

What about straight talk? Seems cheaper than Pageplus, 5gb of LTE for $45/month

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[–] HopeStillFlies ago  (edited ago)

Hell, I don't even know why people need that. $20 every 90 days on TracFone suits me just fine.

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[–] Beers ago 

Some of us actually use our phones, its weird

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[–] waldojim42 2 points 12 points (+14|-2) ago 

Guess that makes me a thief, or an abusive customer. Don't care. Long time Verizon Wireless customer with unlimited data. And will continue to use my unlimited data until they force me out. I average about 30G/mo, peaking at about 350GB/mo. And frankly, I don't care. I paid for an unlimited plan, not whatever-they-feel-like.

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[–] TopShelfPrivilege 1 point 1 point (+2|-1) ago 

They're complaining about people abusing tethering. It says on the plan pages that ON SMARTPHONE data is unlimited, but tethering is not.

http://i.imgur.com/Z08Tocx.jpg

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[–] Cobra_Kai 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

This sounds an awful lot like a limit.

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[–] waldojim42 ago  (edited ago)

And it states right there in the article, that isn't true either. 21GB is the limit on smartphone. Which leads to the obvious questions: When isn't unlimited unlimited? And why the discrepancy?

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[–] Microcosm 7 points 1 point (+8|-7) ago 

Hahahaha! Oh! I've argued for years with TMobile fanboys who said "see they are the best because" (insert bs here about TMobile)

They vilified AT&T for similar practices. And whined on and on. Wonder how they feel now!

Fact is - mobile networks are expensive and telcos have to show a positive return to investors - otherwise - despite huge current cash flows - the money will run dry. TMo has spent through the billions gotten when the FCC declined the AT&T acquisition and now they are feeling the pain of their unsustainable pricing practices.

Eat it Legere

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[–] PM_ME_YOUR_BOOBS2 2 points 6 points (+8|-2) ago 

Man, this sucks I was almost kind of starting to think t mobile might be the underdog carrier that sets everything right with the Internet the chosen one so to speak but it turns out it's just another of our dark lord and masters. Fuck damnit shit god damnit motherfucker and tits.

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[–] MedicalMountainGoat 1 point 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

Corporations are inherently evil by design. The entire point is to maximize profits at any cost.

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[–] theoldguy 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Because that's what the stockholders who want instant gratification demand. A rational business would plan for the next 20 years, not 20 months, and show a bigger profit in the end.

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[–] Drenki 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

A corporation is now, legally, a human without a soul or the ability to be sent to jail or imprisoned.

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[–] PM_ME_YOUR_BOOBS2 ago 

But isn't there supposed to be some prophecy about a good corporation springing up and bringing balance to the economy or something?

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[–] ShowMeYourKitties 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Hey now, don't bring tits into this. Tits are wonderful, superb sweaterpuppets and heavenly handpillows.

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[–] PM_ME_YOUR_BOOBS2 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Right right, I may have taken things a bit too far.

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[–] TopShelfPrivilege ago 

How does this make them evil? They never tried to hide anything. It's very clearly shown what you're allowed to do. They explicitly state unlimited ON SMARTPHONE data, and 7GB of tethering, which is what T-Mobile is complaining about.

http://i.imgur.com/Z08Tocx.jpg

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[–] PM_ME_YOUR_BOOBS2 ago 

Evil is subjective I guess?

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[–] Drenki 1 point 6 points (+7|-1) ago  (edited ago)

Tethering is essentially like doing all of your activity on your phone (browsing, downloading files, chat, voip calls, etc), but then immediately copying that information over to a computer via USB, wifi, bluetooth, etc.

Is there a cap on how much data you can copy from the phone to your computer over a USB cable? Show me where in their literature they make this absurd claim.

Differentiating tethering from regular phone use is just bullshit marketing from corporations trying to suck as much money as they can from you.

MBs doesn't even COST them anything. Not on their own at least. ISPs charge each other peering fees. You send me data at this rate at this price, I send you data at this rate for this price. Those fees are determined by the 95th percentile of traffic. Traffic is a rate, like 10mpbs or 100mpbs

Let's say T-Mobile had an arrangement with a peer (the ISP they connect to in order for their subscribers traffic to reach the rest of the internet) at 95th percentile of 100mbps (yes, unrealistically low, this is just an example). Traffic could flow at 95mbps and they would never hit an overage. As long as their customers pay their bills, there's no problem. If total traffic was at 5mbps, they'd make a pretty good profit. Obviously they want that case.

So how do they address the problem? Well, they just keep that link running at 95mbps. Subscribers would be locked into a certain transfer rate (95mbps / total number of active subscribers).

Problem solved, no overages, T-Mobile makes money, subscribers never hit a data cap. Everyone is happy. Well, maybe things feel slow sometimes, but only if the ISP had shitty infrastructure.

But companies are greedy. They want to screw you over as hard as they can. So what do they do?

Like I said, ISPs like T-Mobile, and the companies they peer to, negotiate prices based on link speeds (mbps).

But T-Mobile and other customer-facing ISPs (AT&T, Comcast, &c) charge customers by amount of data.

If they charged each customer based off link speed, all of this shit would go away.

What's even worse is that with peering agreements, if company A sends 100mbps of traffice to company B and company B sends the same RATE of traffic back, then they don't charge each other anything.

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[–] MagicHamsta ago  (edited ago)

Agreed. What's the point of "4g blazin fast omgbbq" speeds if I can only use that speed for less than a day in the entire month & get charged for "overages"?

I don't see my gas labeled as "unlimited 500 mph".

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[–] mr337 2 points 3 points (+5|-2) ago 

Man that tethering data must go through special pipes or some thing.

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[–] Tb0n3 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Yeah. It goes through the cpu pipes and out the wifi pipes.

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[–] MagicHamsta ago 

But those pipes are filled with cats & dank memes. That must be why they need more monies. /s.

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[–] seth_storm 2 points 0 points (+2|-2) ago 

How the mighty have fallen.

Now they're just a Sprint with more device options.

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