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[–] newoldwave [S] 3 points 3 points (+6|-3) ago 

The stoggy old GOP is being shown the door. Two non-politicians and only sorta Republicans are leading the way in Iowa. Trump has tossed down the gauntlet and told the GOP he'll either do it with them or without them

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[–] Rommel79 2 points 8 points (+10|-2) ago 

You act like the exact same thing isn't happening with the Democrats.

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[–] postmortem 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

100% true.

Prairie fires start like this. Lots of little embers that get a little bigger when the wind is just right. Then next thing you know 2 fires become 1 bigger. And it just keeps going until 5000 buffalo come rage-assing at you.

But by that time, yer fucked.

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[–] knowsguy 6 points 1 point (+7|-6) ago 

Such a tired and unsubstantiated claim.

Yes, both parties primarily prioritize the interests of their corporate donors above Joe Average.

Besides that clear similarity, there are other areas where they are clearly different.

I'd rather have a democrat in office or congress if I'm gay,

or if I'm a woman who chooses contraception or to end an unwanted pregnancy,

or if I'm an unskilled worker who would like more than $8.50,

or if I want to be protected from dangerous work conditions,

etc...

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[–] newoldwave [S] ago 

I haven't gotten to the Democrats yet, but they're betting on a lame horse and just don't get it.

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[–] Wolph 4 points 17 points (+21|-4) ago 

America is not going to tolerate religion and politics together for much longer. Young intellectuals will eventually realize they don't like their money being taken by an incompetent government, they will be more likely to go republican if there is no religious core to the party. Sad, but it's true.

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[–] newoldwave [S] 0 points 26 points (+26|-0) ago 

I think the only religion either knows is money.

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[–] Vvswiftvv17 8 points 27 points (+35|-8) ago 

That's not true at all. The left is just as religious. They have the church of feminism, global warming, and SJW. They defend it as fervently (or even more so) than any "traditional" religious movement.

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[–] ILikeMyDogNotYours 1 point 9 points (+10|-1) ago 

I would say their religion is government, and then they have their holy trinity you laid out.

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[–] Fougare 3 points 2 points (+5|-3) ago 

rephrase then: "America is not going to tolerate christian fundamentalism and politics for much longer"

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[–] BangDingOw 6 points -1 points (+5|-6) ago 

OK on all points except the religion of global warming.

That's no religion. It's a fact.

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[–] YourDumbWhat 4 points 0 points (+4|-4) ago 

"Young intellectuals" is not a significant demographic in the rural south.

Yeah, urban centers are much more progressive, and there are more people in urban areas than rural, however, due to the way districts are gerrymandered for the house and how the senate is designed to be in general, by and large, one rural vote carries more weight than one urban vote. As such, it will take much more than a simple majority to shift American politics away from the current status quo.

The evangelical demographic is still strong, and I don't see it disappearing any time soon. And they are the demographic most likely to not give a hoot about money corrupting politics so long as their corrupt representative continue to mark off all the relevant "he's just like me" (but really isn't) boxes.

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[–] Rommel79 1 point 8 points (+9|-1) ago 

Yeah, 'cause everyone in the South is an uneducated idiot who fucks their sisters and thinks the Earth is 6,000 years old! I'm sure glad I don't rely on stereotypes like those morons!

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[–] Wolph 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

With more and more people going to college and getting degrees we most certainly have a 'Young intellectual' demographic. Millennials are the upcoming generation of workers and parents, they're emotional, and they pride themselves on intellectualism. If you need any more proof of their existence, visit the r/politics on Reddit. The evangelical demo is strong for now, but their opinions and ideals are completely dismissed by these 'young intellectuals', who have been conditioned to dismiss religion as a cavemen esque fairy tale. To them, being a Christian means you dismiss science, education, logic, and common sense.

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[–] zippo 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

Young intellectuals will eventually realize they don't like their money being taken by an incompetent government

You sure about that? What I see from young Americans - from what seems like a majority of them - is more along the lines of "I'm totally fine with my incompetent, corrupt and aggressive government taking a huge portion of my money, as long as they take even more from someone richer than I am". It's really sad.

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[–] Wolph 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

It's easy to be borderline socialist when you're young and impressionable. Professors telling you to check your privilege, student rallies for equality, politicians promising you "hope' and 'change'. Then suddenly you have job, and the world you thought you knew so well, no longer matches that guise. You're cynical, you're unnoticed, and you hate that you are a part of something you once hated so much. Suddenly, you're not so okay with giving more money than you think you earned, suddenly your family is more important than a less fortunate criminals, suddenly you are mad as hell that anyone would threaten what you alone made for yourself, through hard work, hard times, and pure motivation.

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[–] mnocket 1 point 8 points (+9|-1) ago 

This could be a good thing..... depending on what replaces it. Same could probably be said about the Democratic party as well.

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[–] Novius 1 point 1 point (+2|-1) ago 

I hope the young anti-authoritarian Left leave the democratic party to join with Libertarians, I don't think anybody much wants the democratic Party to have a future.

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[–] erowidtrance 3 points 45 points (+48|-3) ago 

Good. Both parties are a pile of shit and need to go. They both work primarily for vested interests not the voters.

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[–] g-j-a 9 points 11 points (+20|-9) ago 

Stop injecting fact and sense into my intertubes!

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[–] Novius 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

America needs a major anti-authoritarian party, that neither trusts in the efficiency of the DMV or Comcast customer service.

Ideally you would see a green party have minor success in congress maybe a senator. Maybe a Science NASA and the Texan Superconducting Super Collider Party, to make America the envy of the world again.

I would love to see a party for the economic schools in America, Thomas Paine's "Agrarian Justice" Ideals too.

 

I just really don't want the old "Wall St" Left vs "Rural" Right parties ever again.

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[–] dontdoxxmebro 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

The thing that worries me is whole grieving pile of mess we will have for the first few years after a bicameral system.

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[–] MarcoVincenzo 1 point 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

The Electoral College almost requires a two-party system, but the Whigs were replaced by the Republicans almost wholesale so it could happen again. What I'm wondering is, if it does happen, what are the Democrats going to morph into to oppose it?

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[–] MrMongoose 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

It depends on what exactly they are opposing. If it's far-right social conservatism, the Dems will go more libertarian to pick up the middle. If it's the libertarian wing of the Republican party that ends up in control then Dems probably won't move too much from where they are now. Maybe have some slightly more religious candidates in some of the Bible-belt parts of the country.

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[–] 1Sorry_SOB 9 points 24 points (+33|-9) ago  (edited ago)

Beltway talking heads: "cuck, cuck, cuck".

The rise of the neo-conservatives was the beginning of the end. When "conservative" Jews started running the party, policies changed to "let's dilute the white majority so they pose no threat to us" and "Let's use the US military for the benefit of Israel and Goldman Sachs".

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[–] sp00kygh0st 4 points 1 point (+5|-4) ago 

Couldn't agree more

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[–] didntsayeeeee ago 

It took Civil War conditions for that to happen, and much as people like to talk up the crises of the day things aren't nearly that fucked.

Ultimately the Republican Party brand has a lot of sticking power, I don't think it's going anywhere. Still, things could change under the hood.

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[–] MrMongoose 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

The thing you have to remember is that the GOP doesn't believe in government. What's their motivation for making it work? OTOH they can break shit and come back and say 'See? Government doesn't work. We told you so!'

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[–] bulksalty ago 

It wouldn't shock me if the African Americans (who tend to be quite religious and surprisingly socially conservative in many ways) joined with the evangelical/culture warrior vote (all three about 13% of voters) to form a populist, socially conservative party. Replacing most of the Republican vote, but also a healthy portion (20-25%) of the Democratic vote. If they pull Latinos, Catholics that's right in the same neighborhood as either major party, and the three big groups are pretty upset at the major parties at the moment.

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