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[–] cajunsunrise 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I don't know exactly what the solution is, but I think it happens because people are, well, less thoughtful.

I saw a post on FPH today (there was a FPH post that was in the to 5 most viewed posts on Voat today, so I checked it out even though I've blocked the subverse) that was a comic of stick figures about how a group of girls agreed with this one girl who wouldn't date a dude because he was shorter than her, but when a guy said to a girl that he wouldn't date her because she was fat, the girls were mad at him. The comic meant to show a double standard of objectification and how if one is acceptable, then both cases should be. But its premises, I think, were wrong. Just because one of those cases is socially acceptable, sortof, doesn't mean that it should be, or that it should make the case for FPH stronger. To me, it means they're both wrong. (I'm dating a dude that's shorter than me, so y'all can fuck off if you think I'm begin a hypocrite)

However, I can't say that on FPH, because the subverse would specifically BAN me from sympathizing with any "Fatty". So, it becomes a bit of a self-perpetuating circle, where hate happens, and it can't be intellectually discussed because you would get banned (ie: censored? oh wait...isn't that supposed to be something Voat is against?), and so more hate happens.

I don't really know how to stop the cycle when users will get banned for trying.

This idea can be extrapolated to other scenarios where users are condemned as SJW. Instead of actually disagreeing with SJW arguments in logical ways, being calleda SJW and downvoated is enough. And so the discussion stops and so does the flow of logic and ideas.

Anyways, probably an unpopular opinion, but there's my two cents.

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[–] OllieQueen [S] 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Good job for vocalizing it, man or woman!

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[–] 1866342? 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

So shines a good deed in a weary world. You want the real answer? Hate and evil has already won. Humanity is doomed. People are picking up on this subconsciously, or they've experienced some reality altering negativity that they will never escape. They want to destroy, and they have every reason to. Seeing beautiful, rich people live such effortless and carefree, easy lives makes anyone not directly in that position inexorably bitter. And those with the power to help, those in positions of authority or posterity are so quick to push others away in defense of their fragile and valuable asset, and cling to it mercilessly whether they're tyrants or saints. This is the fatal flaw of humanity. The paltry pecking order. Greed and selfishness lorded over anyone who dares question their divinity. Humanity truly at its most repugnant.

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[–] dart200 ago 

Evil can't win. It will only lead to it's own destruction.

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[–] OllieQueen [S] 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

That was dark, but beautifully written.

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[–] crackers1097 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

It is hard to plant a seed in such a thick forest, and even harder to have it grow.

A man would rather cut a tree down for wood as opposed to plant one.

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[–] OllieQueen [S] 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Wow. That is poignant. Sad, and true.

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[–] crackers1097 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

You need not worry. Thick pine forests are merely another stage in the cycle. When disaster comes and the forest is burnt, Birch trees take their place. New ideas and shades, a new ecosystem. Creation begins. And, when the birch withers and ages, the Pine may come again.

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[–] OneZero 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Creation is far harder than destruction. It takes a team of people a lot of time to build a house but all it takes is one person a short while to burn it down.

I have noticed the same thing both in real life and on the internet. I think that at least in America it's because people are under more stress than before. People are working more hours, their commute to work is longer, and after inflation they are worse off financially than they were before. The corruption and incompetence in our law enforcement is more visible and not enough is being done about it.

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[–] OllieQueen [S] 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I absolutely love this reply. It addresses socioeconomic reasons and the psychology surrounding it.

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[–] usernameistaken 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

I think we need voaters to submit their reason everytime they try to downvoat. that way, it will satisfy their need to downvoat and also provide a reason for the OS (original submitter) to understand why it was downvoated.

while it is not ideal, until we can separate the ways to report unrelated replies and disagreement, it will atleast provide an avenue for a dialog.

or maybe change the importance of CCP.

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[–] OllieQueen [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Perhaps a "disagree" button. instead of only downvoats

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[–] OllieQueen [S] 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

it's not that exactly. Just a lack of working together that bugs me.

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[–] Girthcontrol 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

There's a lot of residual anger over the policies enacted by Reddit management, their doublespeak and hypocrisy as well as the blatant censorship. I'm sorry your little community was disturbed by the influx of angry people, hopefully the frustration and anger will be focused constructively but for now I think feelings of helplessness and betrayal are still a bit raw.

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[–] diggy 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

I agree with you on the topics of debate and the negative effects of name calling on civil discussion. I think a lot of people who do that are just really young or are purposely wording things in such a way to make it seem like an ironic caricature of internet speech in general. This sort of thing can be entertaining to some people, but can also be frustrating for others.

I don't quite understand where you're coming from in regards to wether or not voat is a community. I feel like voat is as much a community as a town or a state is. Just like in a town you have people rich and poor content or angry, liberal or conservative all living next to each other. Just like a town though the individual members do not necessarily have any influence on each other unless the right circumstances are met (common hobby for example). Perhaps this is a cultural difference between where you live and where I live, though? I do not know.

In regards to being constructive, I would suggest to people to keep studying even if not formally,(edx,udemy,coursera are great) so they can develop their own solutions to perceived problems. Voat itself is this, I believe. All the image hosting sites brought up in response to voat needing one is this. I see a future where many passionate gamers become passionate game developers, where many nitpicky commenters become lawyers, and maybe even a few people become doctors to help fight obesity. There is hope and time. A large portion of the community is in its 20s or younger. I would say that witnessing problems that seem outside our control is an incredibly frustrating experience, but when you can figure out your own solutions to these sorts of things it feels amazing.

It is now well past midnight as I type this and I have to apologize that I too have a tendency to ramble.

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[–] OllieQueen [S] 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Diggy, I honestly love your well thought out reply to the community aspect.

In my city there is the "City" that everyone loves, but within it, there are "subsections" and each competes. Like "This one road is better than this other road" --- now, each area of town has its own community, but under the ame city name, so that's how I see voat.

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[–] Classified ago 

Your post reminds me of this comic.

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[–] Genghis_Khan 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

How do we take our passion and make it into something constructive? How do we regain control, and instead of only being angry and passionate, we become motivated and passionate?

If I had to put it succinctly, I would recommend those who feel oppressed and trodden upon here (as seems to be the central issue) to think twice, then ask questions. They might be surprised how it turns out.

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[–] OllieQueen [S] 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

There is a problem with that. When people ask questions, they're assumed idiots, and therefore downvoated and lost to oblivion unles those that wish to see click.

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