[–] xeemee 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
i suspect that some of the strife is caused by reddit users/admins who have an interest in protecting their community by destroying the competition - apparently Voat is the most popular reddit-like platform besides reddit
some problems are also caused by the anonymity afforded by the net - it's easy to be a dick when you're not looking someone in the eye, however, if you want free speech, then you have no choice but to grant others the same
and other problems are cause by tensions in our individual lives and the shitty situation throughout the world regarding war, nearly worthless education systems, etc., etc., etc...
there is much more to be said about the erosion of basic compassion that exists in society today and who/what is responsible, but i think -- hope -- that major changes are on the horizon - there's more of a focus on supporting local businesses, eating healthier, sustainability, etc., and that will trickle down to our world community as well i would guess
your post very much reminds me of the documentary i just watched about the birth, life and death of the bulletin board systems (BBS), the precursor to the internet - when they started, you would typically dial in to your local node to avoid long distance charges and so these small communities were pretty close and used to physically meet to shoot the shit sometimes
as the system and technology grew, the nodes could talk to each other and some of the closeness was lost
then the internet took hold and virtually all of it was lost
some of the people interviewed in the film said they missed the closeness of the BBS system
why isn't there local forums, like for every town? meetup.com seems to be the closet thing to what i'm envisioning i suppose
[–] 300mphPeppermintWind 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
I find that people who are bent on destruction have the intent to change things so that they can lay claim to whatever new comes of it. Though I do find the idea of destruction some times interesting. When something is destroyed, there is the chance to rebuild, better, stronger. Where as if it's never destroyed, the status quo may remain and the idea of "if it ain't broke don't fix it" may cause stagnation.
Remember This? Most people agree it was destroyed, but yet the person who attempted to restore it though that they where rebuilding. So this is a good example of destruction based on perception.
Gotta say OP, this is a pretty fascinating topic.
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[–] OllieQueen [S] 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
Fun story. I'm a female, and have been accused of being sexist against other females. The reasoning:
In my job, we have to stock a lot. Which means lifting 40lbs of shit. Now our job requirements say you need to lift a minimum of 30 lbs -- not that much. Easy shit. Now my boss hires a girl, who can't lift more than 15. No medical issues, but she was hired as a stocker. I'm supervising her. I no longer put her ont he schedule and give my boys more hours. She accuses me of being sexist.
And I'm just like "No honey. I'm not sexist. You just suck" except more eloquently.
[–] BraneS2 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
probably an incorrect premise. Many here are up for intelligent dialogue.
Isn't the problem being these adolescent kids, locked in their rooms, angry, cursing, and downvoating?
(that's why they had to change the downvoating rules).
Boastful Ignorance.
This is no place for them, but they cannot be censored as that is antithetical to the social media concept. I had proposed we at least keep track of them on a specific subverse, but it did not seem to get any traction.
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[–] OllieQueen [S] 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
While I agree that pyrotechnics are fun, it's hard to always keep them going.
[–] 1866818? 0 points 3 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago (edited ago)
I definitely feel where you are coming from, though I disagree it's anything new. It's the same reason we have fan boys/girls of cars (Ford vs Holden or whatever), console wars (Sega vs Nintendo etc.), religious debates (Christians vs Muslims vs Atheists etc), and even sports teams (Australian State Of Origin Rugby League, Super Bowl, etc). When in reality, you can appreciate the good parts in everything if you look. There is good and bad in everything but there is this instinctual nature to take a side and revel in the conflict. Typically men especially enjoy competition and male culture thrives in these types of environments.
You can see evidence of these themes anywhere you go, from 4chan, voat, sub-reddits, hobby forums, community groups like martial arts classes, university courses, rural towns, etc. The conflict arises most in forums that intersect and have larger populations, from urban cities, news website comment sections, youtube comments, rivalling cultures or religeons, etc. It's human nature.
The constructive feedback versus vicious criticism is another form of the joy found in conflict. In my personal opinion it is a lesser form of conflict compared to the examples given above but it exists none the less (I'd compare it anecdotally to sarcasm versus a witty joke). It also naturally thrives online via anonymous boards because it's a far easier and risk free venture to get your fix, express some emotion, and then log off for the day. There are numerous aspects to the drivers behind engaging in such activities, some enjoy the turmoil, some enjoy intellectual debate, some enjoy learning, and some are using it as an outlet to express various emotions they don't otherwise know how to handle.
The key to an enjoyable time is to either dabble in a bit of everything or find a sub-community which shares your ideal version of conflict, where the rules of engagement are known or at least there is an unspoken agreement of what it is. Where communities often fall apart is when there is an influx of people who share different rules of engagement. This is why smaller communities are often known to be better - because the people within these communities develop an understanding of each other easier which fosters a tribal like culture they come to appreciate. Hence why smaller communities can often become defensive towards new comers who stray from the normality already established. Without shared values, it becomes harder to communicate, harder to forgive minor transgressions, harder to accept people for who they are.
It is generally encouraged to branch out and experience other cultures / value systems as this tempers the instinctual hostility one can have towards someone from a different tribe. This is why wiser people encourage you to travel to other towns, states, countries, and cultures. Because isolating yourself and increasing your hostility towards other cultures is poisonous, closed minded, and dangerous philosophy. It fosters distrust, paranoia, and makes it easier to dehumanise other people.
This is also why generally speaking censorship is a dangerous thing. It promotes the negative aspects of being in unity and of one mind. Those who fear others based on different views or culture are often indoctrinated in this way of thinking. It can be scary when you start to identify these types of people or even cultures in the world because it is too easily led into committing human atrocities in the name of what is "right". People and the movements they can represent who shout down legitimate constructive feedback and don't actively contribute to community are some of the biggest threats we face today in modern society. The ones who shout only criticism or even simply downvoat something they don't like are the drop in the ocean which along with many others, cause the waves which erode away the heart and soul of humanity.
[–] hitamhitam 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
When you are insecure, everyone is your enemy.
[–] OllieQueen [S] 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Except the Justice league. Those guys are pretty cool.
[–] hitamhitam ago
Sorry, is it the DC comic you are referring?
I am not living in western countries, this is why I ask.