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[–] cajunsunrise 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I don't know exactly what the solution is, but I think it happens because people are, well, less thoughtful.

I saw a post on FPH today (there was a FPH post that was in the to 5 most viewed posts on Voat today, so I checked it out even though I've blocked the subverse) that was a comic of stick figures about how a group of girls agreed with this one girl who wouldn't date a dude because he was shorter than her, but when a guy said to a girl that he wouldn't date her because she was fat, the girls were mad at him. The comic meant to show a double standard of objectification and how if one is acceptable, then both cases should be. But its premises, I think, were wrong. Just because one of those cases is socially acceptable, sortof, doesn't mean that it should be, or that it should make the case for FPH stronger. To me, it means they're both wrong. (I'm dating a dude that's shorter than me, so y'all can fuck off if you think I'm begin a hypocrite)

However, I can't say that on FPH, because the subverse would specifically BAN me from sympathizing with any "Fatty". So, it becomes a bit of a self-perpetuating circle, where hate happens, and it can't be intellectually discussed because you would get banned (ie: censored? oh wait...isn't that supposed to be something Voat is against?), and so more hate happens.

I don't really know how to stop the cycle when users will get banned for trying.

This idea can be extrapolated to other scenarios where users are condemned as SJW. Instead of actually disagreeing with SJW arguments in logical ways, being calleda SJW and downvoated is enough. And so the discussion stops and so does the flow of logic and ideas.

Anyways, probably an unpopular opinion, but there's my two cents.

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[–] OllieQueen [S] 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Good job for vocalizing it, man or woman!

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[–] BraneS2 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

probably an incorrect premise. Many here are up for intelligent dialogue.

Isn't the problem being these adolescent kids, locked in their rooms, angry, cursing, and downvoating?

(that's why they had to change the downvoating rules).

Boastful Ignorance.

This is no place for them, but they cannot be censored as that is antithetical to the social media concept. I had proposed we at least keep track of them on a specific subverse, but it did not seem to get any traction.

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[–] BraneS2 2 points 0 points (+2|-2) ago 

The end.

Huh? You don't see the problem? Really??

Sure, censorship is an issue, but you cannot turn a blind eye to a very real problem. "The end"

too much ignorance

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[–] Vespera ago  (edited ago)

It simply depends where you look. Visiting a voat development / idea hub verse will reveal dramatically different content then the ideas that make it to the frontpage, which only do so via being submit to a broad verse that's doesn't specialize in that kind of discussion.

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[–] OllieQueen [S] 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

I understand. This is my alt account used specifically for trudging through popular subverses. However, on my other account, my subverses dropped in content specifically because the users no longer wished to be part of a stress inducing place (keep in mind my subverses are not stress inducing). I've spoken with them, and they just left voat in its entirety.

while that is them, and not me, I can't help but wonder...how much hate has permeated?

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[–] Vespera ago 

I feel like it all boils down to whether a person is a talker or doer.

In life, we all meet people who say they're going to do things who eventually back out of them. I don't think it's different here. A lot of people really do have the best intentions with contributing to conversations but are off-put by the complexity / effort that comes up.

If I were you I'd see it like this: people are leaving because actual work is involved

Also - what topic does that sub specialize in? you can be broad, I'm curious

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[–] Aspenforest ago 

Destruction leads to a very rough road, but it also breeds creation...

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[–] OllieQueen [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Fun story. I'm a female, and have been accused of being sexist against other females. The reasoning:

In my job, we have to stock a lot. Which means lifting 40lbs of shit. Now our job requirements say you need to lift a minimum of 30 lbs -- not that much. Easy shit. Now my boss hires a girl, who can't lift more than 15. No medical issues, but she was hired as a stocker. I'm supervising her. I no longer put her ont he schedule and give my boys more hours. She accuses me of being sexist.

And I'm just like "No honey. I'm not sexist. You just suck" except more eloquently.

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[–] hitamhitam 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

When you are insecure, everyone is your enemy.

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[–] OllieQueen [S] 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Except the Justice league. Those guys are pretty cool.

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[–] hitamhitam ago 

Sorry, is it the DC comic you are referring?

I am not living in western countries, this is why I ask.

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[–] 1866818? 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I definitely feel where you are coming from, though I disagree it's anything new. It's the same reason we have fan boys/girls of cars (Ford vs Holden or whatever), console wars (Sega vs Nintendo etc.), religious debates (Christians vs Muslims vs Atheists etc), and even sports teams (Australian State Of Origin Rugby League, Super Bowl, etc). When in reality, you can appreciate the good parts in everything if you look. There is good and bad in everything but there is this instinctual nature to take a side and revel in the conflict. Typically men especially enjoy competition and male culture thrives in these types of environments.

You can see evidence of these themes anywhere you go, from 4chan, voat, sub-reddits, hobby forums, community groups like martial arts classes, university courses, rural towns, etc. The conflict arises most in forums that intersect and have larger populations, from urban cities, news website comment sections, youtube comments, rivalling cultures or religeons, etc. It's human nature.

The constructive feedback versus vicious criticism is another form of the joy found in conflict. In my personal opinion it is a lesser form of conflict compared to the examples given above but it exists none the less (I'd compare it anecdotally to sarcasm versus a witty joke). It also naturally thrives online via anonymous boards because it's a far easier and risk free venture to get your fix, express some emotion, and then log off for the day. There are numerous aspects to the drivers behind engaging in such activities, some enjoy the turmoil, some enjoy intellectual debate, some enjoy learning, and some are using it as an outlet to express various emotions they don't otherwise know how to handle.

The key to an enjoyable time is to either dabble in a bit of everything or find a sub-community which shares your ideal version of conflict, where the rules of engagement are known or at least there is an unspoken agreement of what it is. Where communities often fall apart is when there is an influx of people who share different rules of engagement. This is why smaller communities are often known to be better - because the people within these communities develop an understanding of each other easier which fosters a tribal like culture they come to appreciate. Hence why smaller communities can often become defensive towards new comers who stray from the normality already established. Without shared values, it becomes harder to communicate, harder to forgive minor transgressions, harder to accept people for who they are.

It is generally encouraged to branch out and experience other cultures / value systems as this tempers the instinctual hostility one can have towards someone from a different tribe. This is why wiser people encourage you to travel to other towns, states, countries, and cultures. Because isolating yourself and increasing your hostility towards other cultures is poisonous, closed minded, and dangerous philosophy. It fosters distrust, paranoia, and makes it easier to dehumanise other people.

This is also why generally speaking censorship is a dangerous thing. It promotes the negative aspects of being in unity and of one mind. Those who fear others based on different views or culture are often indoctrinated in this way of thinking. It can be scary when you start to identify these types of people or even cultures in the world because it is too easily led into committing human atrocities in the name of what is "right". People and the movements they can represent who shout down legitimate constructive feedback and don't actively contribute to community are some of the biggest threats we face today in modern society. The ones who shout only criticism or even simply downvoat something they don't like are the drop in the ocean which along with many others, cause the waves which erode away the heart and soul of humanity.

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