[–] Bobwillneverdie 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Ive shown this logic to liberals with an Arduino with 3 buttons, one adds a vote to A, another adds a vote to B, the third displays the votes. Then just show them how changing one or two lines, you can easily change a 5/5 vote out of 10 into a 7/3 out of 10. Then explain to them that there's no rule forcing election machines to be open source so that the people can audit for the potential fraud (or even for bugs).

Funny thing Mr. OP..... I also make CNC machines. /salute

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[–] screamingrubberband [S] 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

Now this is very interesting... my latest hobby, I have three Raspberry pis. /salute

Our new machine orders tanked earlier this year, so our entire company went on 2-week rotating furloughs. My first 2 weeks off, I did this.

[–] goatsandbros ago 

"Grrlz kan kode"

[–] Interruptedagain 0 points 22 points (+22|-0) ago 

In your real world example you are dealing with customers that have been there before and, to a degree, know what they are looking at and for.

With voting machines the customers are government bureaucrats that were affirmative action hires. They wouldn't have a clue what they were looking at. You could sell them a pile of dog shit and tell them it was roses.

[–] screamingrubberband [S] 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I used to believe that, but it is stunning to see the LACK of understanding in the industry lately.

And, ultimately, with voting machines, I am the customer. I should have some assurance that the software works. And, no, I don't believe the software company can provide that.

Software should be revision-controlled, on air-gapped machines, and dry-ran on-site with people who got selected for jury duty, or some similar method of randomly selecting participants for a 4-hour runoff.

Open sourced and posted dry-run results at every precinct.

Otherwise, fuck off with your "proprietary software" arguments. There's nothing "proprietary" about adding 1 to a tally.

Edit... sorry, just venting. Not at you.

[–] Interruptedagain 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

No problem. I get wound up to.

[–] buckhorn 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

Yes. The source code should be owned by 'We the people' and it should run on commodity/open hardware. Any installs/updates should be subject to observation by multiple opposing parties who may video all keystrokes and hash codes and receive a copy of the deployed code for further inspection/dissemination before the admin jacks are sealed under lock and key. There's no excuse that would make closed/prorietary source code necessary at this point.

Many eyes make all bugs shallow--even if only 1% of the eyes who have access know what they're even looking at.

After every e.g., 1000 votes, a 100-sided die should be rolled. If it comes up as 1, the totals for those 1000 paper ballots must be audited/confirmed by manual count irrespective of whether there's any particular reason to be suspicious.

Scanned images of all ballots should also be made publicly available shortly after voting ends.

[–] 26291004? 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

yeah, but that's true in the medical space. Most EHR and EMR systems are crappy from the inside, and the customers don't know any better.

HOWEVER, you don't see massive failures with mission critical medical applications anymore, post THERAC. You have errors, but not with the essential fuction of the software. Voting software does ONE THING, it should do it properly.

[–] screamingrubberband [S] 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

An additional clarification... I don't give a shit about the bureaucrats or diversity hires... I want the public at large to have open access. I want to make sure the routine that adds "one" doesn't have any conditional statements. If Sha'niqu'a is going to use the software to display a number, I want to look over the routine that handles the output and make certain it is rig-proof. If everybody can see it, then confidence in the system goes up.

Code errors are caught by people who didn't write the code... because presumably the person writing the code thought it was right, and is therefore less likely to see a mistake. So let's all see all the code, so there's no "glitches" like this. I know you can't find all the bugs, but you can sure as hell see any underhanded "stuff" if you look hard enough.

[–] Interruptedagain ago 

I'm agreeing with you on this. I'm just saying that in the system that we now have it is those retard affirmative action hires that see and approve of the code. That has got to change! We all need access to it.

[–] cantaloupe6 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

The Chinese hardware and firmware can adjust the contents of memory.

[–] yaksarefinetoo 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

bidenVotes++;

is pretty hard to fuck up

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[–] Yuke ago 

They do run tests and checks etc One Example Here, it's a little old but still could be useful - PDF WARNING a brief read of this can reveal some of the things you may be asking.

[–] Ozfer 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago  (edited ago)

All the source code for casinos needs to be given to regulatory agencies and approved individually. Every single game requires source code analysis and testing. So does every machine before being allowed on a Casino floor. When in a casino each software package on the machine can be verified using signatures and hashes.

Beyond this since voting is about transparency and public elections ALL source code should be open source and inspectable by anyone. We need to prevent foreign and local interference. They also need to rule voting is not proprietary. Everyone knows how to add votes correctly and there is no trade secret.

Also no casino machine runs Bill Gates/NSA windows OS.

[–] 26291020? 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

yeah, good point. This stuff needs to be open for inspection. Same with the sotware they use to justify lockdowns

[–] It_was_the_juice 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

What software are they using to justify lockdowns? All I can tell is they use some shitty data to justify a political decision.

[–] Nekketsu ago 

I wouldn't be surprised if some casinos out there use fuckin' nuclear technology to keep their money safe from someone getting the "jackpot". Anyone working in anything betting related tends to make a lot of money at the cost of their brain cells from having to deal with so many people.

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