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[–] Psycoth ago 

I highly recomend check out The Confederate states of America.

The Confederate States of America is a 2004 mockumentary directed by Kevin Willmott. It's a fictional tongue-in-cheek account of an alternate history in which the Confederates won the American Civil War, establishing the new Confederate States of America (that incorporates the former United States as well).

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[–] Forbin 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

First off, the South would be a Third World nation. Even without slavery, the economy remained agrarian well into the 20th Century largely not participating in the industrial revolution. Also, the US Federal Government heavily invested in the South during the Depression. If it were not for Roosevelt's initiatives (e.g. CCC & TVA), the South would not have ubiquitous access to electricity nor would it have much technical infrastructure (like roads, highways, interstates, telephone lines, etc.). Let that sink in a bit because this isn't conjecture...the only reason the South ever got electricity delivered to homes and businesses was because the US Federal Government stepped in because the private sector would not, and built it themselves.

As a Southerner, it infuriates me when I hear locals talking about their hatred of Democrats, the Federal Government, and the evils of socialism. For fucks sake, if it weren't for those things I guar-an-damn-tee you that Dixie would be 100X worse than Mississippi is today (and Mississippi is about the poorest, stupidest, most racist state in the South).

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[–] Limpingdead 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

I believe that after technology progressed enough slavery would not have been an issue and the two sides would have eventually come togethr again except with a much stronger southern contingent instead of a bunch of mocked 49th in education states.

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[–] poriomaniac 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

I would think it would have resulted in subsequent civil wars. In which case the USA today might look more like the middle east.

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[–] GayBlackWomanWitAIDS 1 point 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

What would Detroit or Baltimore look like today?

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[–] 1772448? 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I imagine the cultural situation would be like the Koreas. Both of them claiming the other one is an abusive dictatorship with no regards for the rights of its inhabitants, families between the borders split apart, international community taking advantage of the situation for political agendas.

The South likely would have stayed out of WW1, WW2, the cold war, ect.

Confederate ideology (the parts that aren't about white supremacy) would encourage neutrality, so no trading arms with England during WW1, especially when the civil war (confederate revolution?) was just around the corner, so they wouldn't be able to afford arms production. This means, the German Navy doesn't blow up civilian ships heading to England assuming they're all smuggling arms.

They also wouldn't get involved in WW2, because without a coastline on the Pacific, Japan would never provoke them. They probably wouldn't react the way everyone else did when German concentration camps were discovered, assuming white supremacy is still influential in confederate society.

During the cold war, the only time I can see them doing anything is during the Cuban missile crisis, because Cuba is so close, and I doubt the Russians would treat them any different from the United States.

Jim crow in the North probably would have ended faster, or even been completely avoided, because mistreatment of non-whites would be seen as a traitorous confederate thing. You'd bet your ass the government would use slavery and racism as a way to (factually) smear the confederates, and something the North would pride itself on.

There also wouldn't be a lot of Cuban immigrants/exiles in Florida, for obvious reasons. This might replace the bay of pigs invasion with just a traditional all out military invasion, since there are no Cuban exiles to send in, and the U.S. wouldn't bother with plausible deniability.

The confederacy wouldn't give a shit about Korea or Vietnam.

Seeing that George Bush was from Texas, I doubt the Iraq war would ever happen. In fact, if they're still white supremacists, they would laugh at the U.S. on 9/11 for "being stupid enough to let sandniggers on planes heading to the U.S". America would still go after the Taliban and Al-Qaeda, but not Iraq. The confederates might support America in the war on terror, considering they would probably also be a target of radical Islam.

WW3 would be the same, because China will still sign a deal with the confederates to buy confederate land on the Northern border and build military bases, in return for the South outsourcing a large portion of its slavery to Chinese sweatshops. Just like in our time line.

Also, I really hope this thread didn't die, I spent way too long typing this out.

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[–] JohnQCitizen ago  (edited ago)

Personally, I would think that slavery in the south would end once the mill towns in the north got popular, and were shown to be profitable. You wouldn't have to bother with rations and shit like that, and the workers would believe workers were free even when they weren't. What do you think?

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[–] 1778398? ago 

I'm not familiar with mill towns, but based on what you told me, it sounds somewhat like sharecropping. I doubt it would be a reason to totally end slavery though, seeing as the key function of it is deception.

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[–] creflo 1 point 6 points (+7|-1) ago 

Like many, you have much to learn about attitude towards the negro in the Northern states. Lincoln did not have any intention of freeing slaves to travel into Union states. He stated many times that if he could have stopped secession without freeing the slaves, it would have been his preference.

His native state, like many in the North had laws preventing any immigration of freed negros. In the North, there were laws preventing the negro from owning property, signing contracts or accessing the courts. One had a law that no establishment could have more than 3 negros where music and alcohol were present. The owner would be fined and the negros whipped. We're talking about free men AFTER the war.

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[–] 1775865? 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

I realize that the North wasn't a super happy fun land that rejected racism. People who think it was having considered the fact that Jim Crow probably wouldn't exist in a racially tolerant society.

We like to personify North and South as if they're two individual entities, but there were a lot of different people with different political power, state and federal. The states could say X, congress could say Y, and Lincoln could say Z. Anyone without a degree in U.S. history probably isn't 100% right; the actual narrative is a lot more complicated than the emotionally driven ones we know as "The evil/heroic North defeating the freedom loving/racially oppressive South".