[–] Gossamer_ 0 points 11 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago
If you're buying a car that was made after 05 you're getting an inferior vehicle because regulations started making cars way WAY worse while increasing the price to manufacture. TL;DR: If you want a car that's new, lease it. You're still getting fucked, but only for a few years.
Did you know there's a law that says any vehicle must be able to support the weight of itself on it's roof? This made the A, B, and C pillars get thicker, creating larger blind spots in every direction.
They also started raising the window sills of the doors and windshield, so windows are smaller and harder to see out of. If you thought it was hard telling if a kid was running next to your car in the parking lot before, now you're destined to hit one.
Many old cars don't have bad gas millage, also. You can find cars from the 90s that get high 20s, all the way to the low 40s if you're into that.
All the new shit added to cars to make them legal means manufacturers have to cut corners everywhere else to keep cars in the price bracket they are marketing to. More plastic, worse seat foam, less paint, the list goes on.
Another thing to consider: Car manufacturers go through major changes. Toyota is starting to manufacture parts for their cars in China. Toyota quality is going down, even though many of their cars are assembled in the USA. Honda makes the best engines in the world but their CVT transmissions are utter garbage. The big companies are slipping up and the quality of their cars is going down.
Essentially, I think you're better off with an older car. anything from 97 to 05, but 05 is pushing it with visibility. (OBDII was around in 96 but most modern readers don't work on the early adopters, just something to consider)
You'll have to repair either car no matter what. It will be cheaper and easier to repair the older car (As long as you don't buy fucking European)
[–] Commie_Meta ago
Did you know there's a law that says any vehicle must be able to support the weight of itself on it's roof? This made the A, B, and C pillars get thicker, creating larger blind spots in every direction.
As an engineer I have trouble believing this. Steel is strong. 4 jackstands with 2 inch (5 cm) pipes can support the car.
This is sheer cheapness by the car companies. They could easily make thick but narrow pillars. Angle the narrow axis towards the driver. The increased cost would be a few dollars per car.
[–] Cant_Call_It 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago (edited ago)
Same thing for big rigs. That diesel exhaust fluid bullshit chokes the hell out of the engine, makes the truck incredibly hot during regen (note trucks catching fire more often), and you get probably 2/3 your fuel milage.
You're best bet is to get that shit deleted. I've never met anyone that has been caught with a deleted truck in an inspection. In fact, I worked for a company that had it deleted on their entire fleet.
[–] IAmTheOptimizer 0 points 7 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago
Depends on the car, it's maintenance history, and your aptitude for routine maintenance. A well-cared for old vehicle will outlive an abused new vehicle.
[–] cactusairforce 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
Correct. Also, cost difference? Fluid change, alignment, belts you should be OK
I assume you are buying a vehicle with good brakes/tires.
Interiors compare? Onboard systems: guages, ac, heater, radio/cd, lights etc?
[–] IAmTheOptimizer 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
And as long as you can still get parts, older vehicles are typically simpler to do routine maintenance on at home. I guess even early 2000's are starting to get modular and full of sensors though anyways.
[–] IAMTODAY777 0 points 6 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago
Registration fees are much lower for old cars. Plus insurance is much cheaper because you don't need comprehensive.
I love older cars. They are usually amazing bargains for what you are getting.
[–] clamhurt_legbeard 0 points 3 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago
15 year old car. Fewer computers.
[–] bonghits4jeebus 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
That can be a good deal. You have to shop, though. A lot of times, they will ask too much for those cars coming off lease for a while before they give up and sell for no profit. You have to make sure you are the beat down.
[–] Lagmonster 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
My newest vehicle is over 15 years old and I can go outside and start up and drive any one of them safely on the roads and highways. Only one of them is worth over 20k and the other are all under 5k. If someone hits me or damages my daily id be like "oh well that sucks".
[–] AcceptableWays 0 points 14 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago
I say 15y old and put in some work. Older has less tech bullshit onboard.
[–] blumen4alles 0 points 6 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago
My vote as well. Shame that islamic kenyan usurper implemented cash for clunkers.
[–] Rubberdong ago
You pay more taxes for old cars regardless of emissions.
You gits to buy the brand new subsidised electric 200k $$$Tesla that is also allowed in all the streets as opposed to old gas diesel cars.