[–] Vrblpollushin 0 points 17 points 17 points (+17|-0) ago
Watched this Sunday night. Thought the same thing.
[–] DILLIGAFASSHOLE 0 points 7 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago
[–] blackguard19 0 points 6 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago
Yeah I never liked that part even though I’ve never actually seen the movie. Really rubs me the wrong way like when people call an oppressive government “Nazis.”
Oh the oppression of forcing corporate entities to serve the public good and not just their bottom line.
Oh the oppression of not letting the people who staged a failed communist coup but still ruined your whole country wander freely to fuck with minds and monies.
Yeah I feel ya. Communists are oppressive. Any two tier justice system is oppressive.
[–] Yuke 0 points 4 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago
It applies because the state dictates what is necessary for them. After WW2 marry and reproduce was indeed the tagline, and the western world obliged - they were encouraged to do so. Whatever people are encouraged to do by media and societal pressures, they do. The phrase "Obey" is persistent throughout the film, that tells you the heart of the matter. It's not about capitalism as some have alluded to, it's about control and obey; doing what the state demands of you, largely without realizing the state is demanding it of you and for its own good, not yours or mine.
It's still happening now, only they encourage reproduction in the undeveloped countries whilst discouraging it in the developed ones. Again, indirectly, because on the face of it they are trying to encourage 'reproductive rights', but that's all worth diddly when they're getting the means thrown at them to have resources but not having the same constraints placed upon them that we have in the west with long working hours and distractions aplenty. They know they are creating a supply chain of people, in their eyes, the right people, the useful people. And the reason is so that they have their workers flooding into the developed world, keeping wages low, expectations low, hopes low and chaos high. You could say "Ah but see, the capitalist element!" but either way, the outcome is the same; cheap labour is required for any machine to operate be it capitalist or communist - you're just a worker serving the overlords. Control.
[–] SilentByAssociation 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
Interesting take on it. Well thought out.
[–] fluffyunbound 0 points 26 points 26 points (+26|-0) ago
Speaking of movies, I found myself watching the movie Casablanca the other day. Casablanca was made in 1942, so the US was at war with Nazi Germany at the time. So we have a movie made about a wartime enemy, and that enemy happens to also be a regime generally regarded to be among the worst in human history. But you know what? The entire plot of the movie only makes sense if the Nazi government was more honest and more honorable than our own!
The plot of Casablanca is that Peter Lorre gives Humphrey Bogart travel papers that allow anyone to travel anywhere in German-occupied Europe. Bogart is eventually able to use these papers to help a left-wing politician sought by the Nazis to escape to Portugal, along with his wife Ingrid Bergman. But this only works because once the refugees have the papers, both the German Gestapo officer and the Vichy French prefect of police are forced to obey the letter of their own law and let them go. Watching the movie I was suddenly struck by how the US government or UK government in 2020 would simply fucking laugh at the letter of the law if it meant letting someone guilty of wrongthink win. The US or UK government would say, "Yeah those are nice papers but we're arresting you anyway." And I had to laugh at the fact that my default assumption was that my government would behave worse than the Nazi villains of a 1940's film. Even though it's not really funny, when you think about it.
[–] lipids 0 points 6 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago
This is why the jews hate history. Can't let us know how good we had it.
[–] lanre ago
Living overseas made me really reconsider "how good we have it." When living in a tyranny felt about the same as America, except you had fast internet, clean roads, no niggers, and everyone worked hard. Really makes you think about America a little harder.