[–] eagleshigh 0 points 10 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago (edited ago)
Revised list, better sources, no Time Magazine or Wikipedia.
Facts from the FBI and Department of Justice on blacks in America:
Black males commit 56% of all robbery, 53% of all murder, making up less than 7% of the US population, black males commit 1 in every 3 rapes, FBI Table 43
As of 2008, young black men kill at a rate of 7 times higher than white men. Homicide Trends in the United States, 1980-2008 Annual Rates for 2009 and 2010 pg 11
42% of all cop killers are black. Law Enforcement Officers Feloniously Killed Race and Sex of Known Offender, 2004–2013
Blacks victims of homicide are 93% of the time killed by other blacks. Black Victims of Violent Crime pg 3
In 2013, blacks made up nearly 38% of the total prison population, despite being only 13% of the general population. Jail Inmates at Midyear 2013 Statistical Tables
Black males have "mean testosterone levels 19% higher than in whites, and free testosterone levels were 21% higher". Higher levels of testosterone are linked to aggression. Serum testosterone levels in healthy young black and white men.
Some facts on the family dynamic and education achievement of blacks in America:
73% of black babies are born out of wedlock. National Vital Statistics Reports Births Final Data for 2010
In 2012, the mean critical reading SAT score for college accepted students was 428 for blacks and 527 for whites. For mathematics, it was 428 for blacks and 536 for whites. For writing it was 417 for blacks and 515 for whites. NationalCenter for Education Statistics
At both the grade 4 and grade 8 level, there is a persistent achievement gap between whites and blacks in both mathematics test scores and reading test scores in ALL states. How Black and White Students in Public Schools Perform on the National Assessment of Educational Progress
Some facts on intelligence levels of blacks:
Dickens and Flynn had to sidestep our citation of Shuey’s (1966) review of the literature, which shows that BlackWhite IQ differences in the United States have remained at 15 to 18 points, or 1.1 standard deviations, for nearly a century
The Totality of Available Evidence Shows the Race IQ Gap Still Remains
The study found that the average IQ for African Americans was lower than those for Latino, White, Asian, and Jewish Americans (85, 89, 103, 106, and 113, respectively; Herrnstein & Murray, 1994, pp. 273–278)
THIRTY YEARS OF RESEARCH ON RACE DIFFERENCES IN COGNITIVE ABILITY pg 236
Overall, 18% of Asians have an IQ over 120, 10% of whites do and only 1% of blacks. Nearly 84% of blacks have an IQ below 100, which is slightly below the average IQ for whites. The ratio of white Americans to black Americans who have an IQ over 125 is 30:1.
The IQ gap between blacks and whites in the United States—15-17 points—has not changed since it was first measured nearly a century ago. Both races’ test scores rose during the century, but the gap remained as large at the end of the century as at the beginning despite considerable social change.
Social Consequences of Group Differences in Cognitive Ability pg 24
For those who claim that IQ tests are biased against blacks and that's why they keep getting lower scores, there are IQ tests like the Raven's Progressive Matrices which don't have any language and rely entirely on visual pattern recognition. It's simply finding patterns in visual shapes. Even then there is a marked difference between black and white IQ scores, not only in America but internationally as well, like in Africa between white and black engineering students.
Harvard psychologists took a look at how black children adopted by well off upper-middle class white families at a very young age perform on IQ tests once they grow up in white families with good socioeconomic conditions. Black children adopted by white parents average 89 on IQ tests at age 17 (slightly better than the 85 average for blacks nationally). White children who grew up in the same households and had white biological parents on average scored Even with the same socioeconomic upbringing, the racial IQ gap remains.
The Minnesota Transracial Adoption Study, the largest and best-known transracial study, was designed specifically by Sandra Scarr and Richard Weinberg to separate genetic factors from rearing conditions as causal influences on the cognitive performance of Black children. It is also the only transracial adoption study that includes a longitudinal follow-up, with testing at ages 7 and 17 years. Scarr and Weinberg compared the IQ and academic achievement scores of Black, White, and mixed-race Black/White children adopted into upper-middle-class White families in Minnesota by adopting parents whose mean IQ was more than 1 standard deviation above the population mean of 100 (see Table 2). The biological children of these parents were also tested. pg 256 Subsequently, Jensen (1998b) discussed these studies at length and reviewed the evidence showing that age of adoption does not influence children’s IQ scores after age 7. pg 259
THIRTY YEARS OF RESEARCH ON RACE DIFFERENCES IN COGNITIVE ABILITY
East Asian countries have on average the highest IQ scores. African countries have on average the lowest. European countries are generally between the Asian and African countries.
Average IQ for a criminal in America is 85, right at the black average of 85
For those looking to pin the lower IQ scores of blacks on socioeconomic factors, IQ is largely genetically determined:
Some evidence suggests that heritability might increase to as much as 80% in later adulthood but then decline to about 60% after age 80.
Genetics and intelligence differences: five special findings
[–] WelfareRecipient 3 points -2 points 1 point (+1|-3) ago
At least give credit to those that posted that
[–] Dindu_Baggins [S] 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago (edited ago)
You say that as though I intentionally stole it. I'm not a black person, but you're acting like a Jewish person.
Edit: Broke my own rule about derogatory terms.
[–] WhoFramedReaderRabit 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
"Overall, 18% of Asians have an IQ over 120, 10% of whites do and only 1% of blacks. Nearly 84% of blacks have an IQ below 100, which is slightly below the average IQ for whites. "
I wonder if some of the African-americans who do score high on IQ are doing so because they have some White DNA in them. I think I heard on average African-americans are 15% white.
[–] eagleshigh 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
22 percent white. Yes white admixture does have an effect.
[–] RewriteFullwise 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
I would love more clarity on this front. I think you are not too likely to find anyone who is 100% white or black, so there might be more to these numbers. What would be interesting is take people who are 100%, 75%, 50% and 25% of a particular type and re-do some these studies.
[–] NowhereMan ago
Okay, I'll bite. The proposition that black people are somehow less human the the rest of us must rest upon certain axioms.
Chiefly among those axioms must be that, once the ancestors of non-black people migrated out of Africa, they must have developed some universal increase in intellect, an increase that somehow remained despite all other genetic mutations that have since created the various colored subsets of mankind that we have today.
How do you support this axiom? And furthermore, why would it have occurred?
Also, if this axiom is to be supported by the lack of prominent black scholars and intellectuals, how can you also consider the Jewish people somehow lesser than the rest of us?
The Jewish people have been extremely successful, despite their historical persecution. Any suggestion that Black people are somehow intellectually inferior because of their lack of success must mean that Jews are intellectually superior because of their overwhelming success in a large number of fields.
Unless you suggest that the Jews have somehow rigged the game, but that suggestion opens up the possibility that we are not, perhaps, always on an equal playing field. To entertain this suggestion, one must entertain the idea that Black Americans may have had the game rigged against them, thereby confounding the overwhelming number of your conclusions.
Also: How many of you have taken a real IQ test administered by a lisenced psychologist? I have, and while they clearly corrolate with intellect, they are not, by any stretch of the imagination, a proper test of intellect. They are simply the best tool available. It is unwise to put too much weight into their findings.
In closing, I present an article by the famous economist Thomas Sowell discussing minority education: http://www.tsowell.com/speducat.html
An Excerpt, with added emphasis:
St. Augustine high school in New Orleans was a particularly striking example of achieving academic success while going against the grain of prevailing opinion in educational circles. It was established back in 1951, during the era of racial segregation in the South, as a school for black boys, presided over by an all-white staff from the Josephite order. None of these young priests had ever taken a course in a department or school of education. To the horror of some outside members of the order, the school used corporal punishment. There was no unifying educational theory. The school simply kept doing things that worked and discarded things that didn't. The first black student from the South to win a National Merit Scholarship came from St. Augustine. So did the first Presidential Scholar of any race from the state of Louisiana. As of 1974, 20 percent of all Presidential Scholars in the history of the state had come from this school with about 600 black students. Test scores were never used as a rigid cutoff for admission to St. Augustine. There were students there with IQs in the 60s, as well as others with IQs more than twice that high. For individual students and for the school as a whole, the average IQ rose over the years-- being in the 80s and 90s in the 1950s and then reaching the national average of 100 in the 1960s. To put that in perspective, both blacks and whites in the South during this era tended to score below the national average on IQ and other standardized tests. Most of these children did not come from middle-class families. Those who parents were in professional or white-collar occupations were less than one-tenth as numerous as those whose parents worked in "unskilled and semi-skilled" occupations. What are the "secrets" of such successful schools? The biggest secret is that there are no secrets, unless work is a secret. Work seems to be the only four-letter word that cannot be used in public today.
When evidence shows us an undeniable fact that, if a population is given proper education, its measurable IQs can and do increase, how can we possibly accept the conclusion that a population is innately inferior? The conclusion simply does not follow from the evidence.
[–] FedSec 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Thanks for posting the facts as a sticky! I love the ease of access and appreciate the time you took to make the post.
One thing that drives me crazy is that where i work (in government), they give blacks a head start on promotion opportunities. They get a special form to fill out any chance a higher position is open (similar to the DD214 military vets get for preferred hire). This is what really irks me. Its not equal opportunity it is racial preference.
[–] Dindu_Baggins [S] 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
It wasn't me that compiled the list, it was (I believe) /u/EaglesHigh, but thatnks anyway! He sent me an updated list that removes the Wikipedia and Time articles. I'll be modifying it shortly.
As for your job, the Federal government is probably the number one employer of blacks. It's not equal opportunity or racial preference, it's discrimination against whites.
[–] Dindu_Baggins [S] 0 points 16 points 16 points (+16|-0) ago
1 like, 3 dislikes? Seems as if I'm more popular with SJW's and their favored race.
[–] KoontownKinte 0 points 9 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago
And yet no one comes to debate any of the facts...
[–] CRKT_M16Z 0 points 3 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago
Well yeah, because facts are racist.
Seriously though, I've seen comments on other websites where people literally just attack the facts as being wrong or they lie. The truth really hurts and nobody wants to come to terms with the truth.
But I've never seen the facts disputed with countering information that is factual.
[–] christ93 0 points 4 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago
Got my popcorn ready for the debate.