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[–] MayTheDerpBeWithYou 1 point 1 point (+2|-1) ago 

Alas, but only one upvoat to give.

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[–] voat_gold 0 points 17 points (+17|-0) ago 

Notice that it is election fraud and not voter fraud. Voter ID restrictions would do nothing to stop this.

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[–] cgsur 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Voter ID restrictions lower the need for moar fraud./s

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[–] cynoclast [S] 3 points 5 points (+8|-3) ago 

Voter ID restrictions actually reduce the need for election fraud when usurping democracy, which is why Republicans do it.

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[–] oowensby 0 points 11 points (+11|-0) ago 

Paper ballots, marked with a pencil, collected and counted in the presence of witnesses representing the candidates. How is this so hard to implement?

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[–] cynoclast [S] 0 points 9 points (+9|-0) ago 

It's not, it's just hard to corrupt. Paper ballots by mail would be a better idea. Oregon does this and it's awesome. Sooooo convenient.

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[–] oowensby 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I am afraid that, if the ballots were not escorted and watched basically from the voter to the counting table, there would be too many opportunities for tampering. I note that you like the vote by mail Oregon system; but, I think it would be the easiest system to corrupt. Most voter fraud, that is actually caught in the US, is committed with absentee ballots — that can be mailed in.

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[–] seerick 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Why Pencil and not Pen? Just curious since Pen cannot be erased. Also, I agree - can't trust those machines, to much opportunity for fraud.

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[–] TalkingAnimal 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

All my adult life I've used a felt-tipped pen to vote. It works fine if I mess up my ballot, they give me a new one.

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[–] oowensby 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Pencils can be erased; but the erasures are obvious. Do you think that all voters are going to complete their ballots without making mistakes? If a pen was used, a whole ballot might have to be redone to avoid ambiguous marks that could be challenged by poll watchers.

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[–] FriedrichNietzsche ago 

It's bad to have people being watched when voting. It may pressure people into voting differently

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[–] oowensby 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Secrecy is necessary for the actual marking and sealing of the ballot.

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[–] hypercat ago 

Our machines print out 2 receipts with your recorded vote. One comes out of the machine with a scan code and the other is behind a thick plastic screen where you can review it and when you press done it rolls up into the machine, they have to keep the receipts for something like 7 years. Lots of storage but you could actually count all the votes again if needed.

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[–] Cid 4 points -2 points (+2|-4) ago 

Honestly, who cares if there's fraud? It's not like our votes are what gets people elected (in presidential elections). We all vote to tell the electors who we want, but they are under no obligation to vote based on the popular results. Not only that but with the way the electors are dived up among the states it's not even like everyone's vote is equal. This isn't democracy.

I just don't see the point in complaining about cheating a broken system. My priorities are different I guess.

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[–] Cid ago 

I'm not apathetic, I just care more about having an honest system more than people cheating the shit we have now. It's called priorities, not apathy. I even said that in my original post. It's like we need major surgery but people are more concerned with a treating the flu.

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[–] cwt ago  (edited ago)

It's not like our votes are what gets people elected (in presidential elections). We all vote to tell the electors who we want, but they are under no obligation to vote based on the popular results.

There have been 9 faithless electors in the last hundred years, and none have affected the outcome of the election. That means about 99.93% of the time, they vote for the candidate they are pledged to. Seems like an odd thing to get worked up about.

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[–] Cid 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

It exists that way and that's enough. There's also the issue of elector distribution among the states leading to people in some states having a vote that is worth more than others in other states. It's not that I don't care about fraud, I would just rather have an honest system first.

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[–] Boredhermit ago 

I would like to add to this, because I feel the same way. Where does it state that the "electors" have to vote based on "the peoples" vote?

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[–] Cid ago 

Where does it state that the "electors" have to vote based on "the peoples" vote?

Nowhere. Don't get me wrong, they will almost always certainty vote the way the people want, and there's very very few cases where they didn't, but the fact it exists this way leaves an opening for potential corruption and exploitation at the cost of democracy. That's a dangerous exploit to leave unfixed, especially with the direction America has gone and with how little power the people actually have.

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[–] Link1299 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

I hate Kansas

a lot

like a lot a lot.

Tired of living in this state, just wish I knew where I could go -_-

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[–] toxicass 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

It's really easy, just...move. I've done it quite a few times. Save up some money and move. I've lived all over the southeast and northeast. I get bored easily.

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[–] lens163 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I hate Kansas
a lot
like a lot a lot.
Tired of living in this state, just wish I knew where I could go -_-

Dorothy tried Oz. Didn't like it. Closed her eyes, clicked her heels three times, and wished herself back home to Kensas. It worked! Try it, close your eyes, make a wish (Hollywood? Frisco? Athens? Paris?), and click your heels. You never know, it might work for you too. :-)

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[–] 1614740? 2 points 0 points (+2|-2) ago 

Anyone know if that mathematician is a Republican or Democrat?

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[–] oowensby 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

I don't think it matters, do you?

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[–] douglasmacarthur 2 points -2 points (+0|-2) ago 

It does matter

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[–] Lighting 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

This is a public process that creates the legitimacy of the entire elected government. There's absolutely zero reason to deny the audit unless there's something to hide. Kobach, Brownback, and their cronies are pathetic.

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[–] diafeetus 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Geochemist and pseudo-statistician here -- having looked at the analysis and data provided by the original author, it looks like this is all very straightforward: it is election fraud. I do not think there is any room for debate -- or politics here. This needs to be brought to light.

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