[–] oowensby 0 points 3 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago
I am afraid that, if the ballots were not escorted and watched basically from the voter to the counting table, there would be too many opportunities for tampering. I note that you like the vote by mail Oregon system; but, I think it would be the easiest system to corrupt. Most voter fraud, that is actually caught in the US, is committed with absentee ballots — that can be mailed in.
[–] TalkingAnimal 0 points 4 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago
All my adult life I've used a felt-tipped pen to vote. It works fine if I mess up my ballot, they give me a new one.
[–] oowensby 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Pencils can be erased; but the erasures are obvious. Do you think that all voters are going to complete their ballots without making mistakes? If a pen was used, a whole ballot might have to be redone to avoid ambiguous marks that could be challenged by poll watchers.
It's bad to have people being watched when voting. It may pressure people into voting differently
Our machines print out 2 receipts with your recorded vote. One comes out of the machine with a scan code and the other is behind a thick plastic screen where you can review it and when you press done it rolls up into the machine, they have to keep the receipts for something like 7 years. Lots of storage but you could actually count all the votes again if needed.
[–] Cid 4 points -2 points 2 points (+2|-4) ago
Honestly, who cares if there's fraud? It's not like our votes are what gets people elected (in presidential elections). We all vote to tell the electors who we want, but they are under no obligation to vote based on the popular results. Not only that but with the way the electors are dived up among the states it's not even like everyone's vote is equal. This isn't democracy.
I just don't see the point in complaining about cheating a broken system. My priorities are different I guess.
[–] [deleted] ago
It's not like our votes are what gets people elected (in presidential elections). We all vote to tell the electors who we want, but they are under no obligation to vote based on the popular results.
There have been 9 faithless electors in the last hundred years, and none have affected the outcome of the election. That means about 99.93% of the time, they vote for the candidate they are pledged to. Seems like an odd thing to get worked up about.
[–] Cid 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
It exists that way and that's enough. There's also the issue of elector distribution among the states leading to people in some states having a vote that is worth more than others in other states. It's not that I don't care about fraud, I would just rather have an honest system first.
[–] Boredhermit ago
I would like to add to this, because I feel the same way. Where does it state that the "electors" have to vote based on "the peoples" vote?
Where does it state that the "electors" have to vote based on "the peoples" vote?
Nowhere. Don't get me wrong, they will almost always certainty vote the way the people want, and there's very very few cases where they didn't, but the fact it exists this way leaves an opening for potential corruption and exploitation at the cost of democracy. That's a dangerous exploit to leave unfixed, especially with the direction America has gone and with how little power the people actually have.
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[–] lens163 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago (edited ago)
I hate Kansas
a lot
like a lot a lot.
Tired of living in this state, just wish I knew where I could go -_-
Dorothy tried Oz. Didn't like it. Closed her eyes, clicked her heels three times, and wished herself back home to Kensas. It worked! Try it, close your eyes, make a wish (Hollywood? Frisco? Athens? Paris?), and click your heels. You never know, it might work for you too. :-)
[–] diafeetus 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
Geochemist and pseudo-statistician here -- having looked at the analysis and data provided by the original author, it looks like this is all very straightforward: it is election fraud. I do not think there is any room for debate -- or politics here. This needs to be brought to light.
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[–] MayTheDerpBeWithYou 1 point 1 point 2 points (+2|-1) ago
Alas, but only one upvoat to give.