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[–] moderator99 ago 

The problem I have with Christianity (and every other religion) is that it discourages logical thinking or accepting anything that isn't filtered through its archaic and outdated belief system. These people are not deep thinkers. Conspiracy theories are not their forte. It's easy to make conspiracy theorists appear to them to be working for the Devil.

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[–] Scrolleater [S] ago 

So tell me, what’s logical about Q? Or eating ice cream or wishing your mom was still alive.

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[–] moderator99 ago 

Why do you pick those? You could just as easily ask what's logical about you. Stupid questions. Poorly formed.

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[–] Thomath ago 

The article is logically flawed.

Initial charges are QAnon is a "threat to the global church"

Global church? Churches are local, a community of people called together for a purpose. There is one Lord of all. All other structures (global church?) are structures designed and created by man. I looked through the article for examples on how QAnon is threatening the church - to build the case with examples of infiltration, attacks, corruptions, threats, etc.

Nothing.

The author then states that the QAnon movement is connected to the "1980's-era Satanic ritual abuse panic". But the only similarity given is the core belief that there are some very evil and powerful entities that work together for evil purposes. (Don't Christians teach this belief also?) Where are the "connection" examples of QAnon and SRA?

Nothing.

The conclusion then is that QAnon is "a satanic movement infiltrating our churches."

(Whose church?)

As a concluding point of emphasis, the author drives the point home by stating that members of QAnon frequently engage in slander and lies. There are readily available examples of slander and lies expressed by members of pretty much any large organization of people - churches, political parties, movements, etc. I prefer to observe how such organizations self-police their own. Therein I see large differences in their integrity.

His conclusion: the church has to attack QAnon now. Attack? Attack people?

I believe the logic to reach this conclusion does not exist anywhere in the article.

The choice weapon of offense (attack): The Sword of Truth.

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[–] Intlrnt2 ago 

Accuses Qanon of intentionally distracting attention away from actual pedophile and human trafficking activity, then intentionally distracts from actual pedophile and human trafficking activity.

Accuses Qanon of slander, then slanders Qanon.

We’ve seen this so many times it’s like a Humira commercial droning in the background.

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[–] RighteousWeed ago 

LMAO... why is the gospel coalition truly against Q?.... don't be an idiot. look back to 2007, Kim Clement prophesies, again in 2014... God is FOR TRUMP... so ANY "CHURCH" NOT on Q's side, are probably not on Gods' side either.

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[–] suave200 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

I take interest i prophecy like with Kim Clement, but I take great caution as many come to deceive in the last days. Having been indoctrinated into mormonism from birth until my mid 30's I trusted Joseph Smith and the mormon prophets, until I thought for myself and studied it out and found that it was total BS. So be careful and pray for discernment in cases like Kim Clement and Mark Taylor.

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[–] Possumridge ago 

This is just another example of the psychiatric term "projection".

They accuse others of their own behavior.

Be strong and put on the armor of God!

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[–] Revodude2 ago 

The devil gave his followers the word: Infiltration. Infiltrate the Catholic Church. Infiltrate other Churches. Infiltrate the government at all levels. Infiltrate Christian organizations like the Boy Scouts. Infiltrate Christian countries. Infiltrate the good with evil and rail against the good for the evil that it has within it.

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[–] derram ago 

https://tweetsave.com/joecarter/status/1263107710792302597 :

Joe Carter on Twitter: "The reason Christians should care about QAnon is because it’s a satanic movement infiltrating our churches.

t.co/k3fPCMYf4a"


This has been an automated message.

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[–] smikey159 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

I'm not entirely sure what the actual correlation is. I could understand linking Q to idolatry, given the vagueness of drops, vagueness of prophecy in a historical context, and tendency of followers to accept prediction as gospel truth... but the article doesn't exactly do that. It mentions a linking to the SRA panic of the 80s today, but that's about it.

A more reasonable "attack" from a gospel standpoint would be a warning to believers, reminding them that the Antichrist will deceive many and be welcomed by the world. Other things to look out for would be "peace" in the Holy Land (a peace agreement for 7 years that'll be broken after about 3.5), the setting up of a church on/near Temple Mount, a global currency, a global church/religion, and probably some other things I'm forgetting. The fact that Q mentions the whole armor of God and that we should be praying is moot; I believe scripture makes a pretty strong argument that in the end times evil will be masquerading under a banner of righteousness. I also urge my brethren in Christ to remember that the end times are going to suck pretty bad - that evil's impersonation of religious dogma will be so good that it'll be capable of convincing everyone outside of true Divine intervention, and that the incoming purge of Christ's followers will be so effective it'll completely wipe out godliness without (again) Divine intervention.

The only thing that truly bothers me about Q is the (para)phrase "saving Israel for last". Scripture clearly states not to fuck with Israel/God's chosen people. Jesus was jewish as far as I know, and though the Pharisees (also jews) condemned Him to death, this death is what allows non-jews (Gentiles, or as voat likes to say, "goys") to be part of God's Kingdom; if I recall correctly, Scripture states 144k jews in Heaven/New Earth - 12k from each of the 12 tribes (and only 12 tribes) - but an uncountable multitude of people from Christ's salvation. This is not to say that the jews are blameless, perfect, or unable to do wrong. They're people, and like all people, capable of being corrupted and doing great evil. The question, from me, therefore is does "saving Israel for last" mean the ousting/cleaning house of bad actors, attacking the country directly, renouncing alliances with the country, or "reforming" the nation into a particular ethno-state? A question for both sides of the argument would be, define "Israel" - is it the government or the people? If its the people, is it those who currently live there, those who historically have lived there, or those who are descendants of the biblically-defined state?

Personally, I see a lot of good things Q could be doing, and I generally support them. However, just as the political Left pushes people to sacrifice liberty for security & "equality", I view the political Right (Q included) through the lens of one day possibly pushing people to sacrifice eternity for justice & prosperity - the viewpoints on both sides are capable of doing good, however there reaches a point where the cost of human intervention outweighs its benefits. How this all ends only the Almighty truly knows. In the meantime, I do my best to pray for others, my enemies, and myself; pray for forgiveness where I stumble, and be thankful for whatever happens in life.

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[–] Scrolleater [S] 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Thanks for a well reasoned response.

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