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Your concerns about authority and Marxism do not undermine the case for realism.
True.
Peace has pretty much been saying the same thing to you the whole time, re: the authority :).
In the case of the good, what's real? I just don't agree with Harris that it is an objective state whose determining features are true for everyone. I personally think that it follows from evolution that what is good for some, should be necessarily not good for others. As individuals and even as groups, I think we represent different "reaches" that ongoing human existence makes that are naturally at odds with each other. It's sort of like distributing risk in an investment portfolio. I don't think the "universe" knows what the good is. I think we are discovering it through intense competition and whatever produces the most stable situation is the best "good" that we have at the moment.
This makes me a moral anti-realist?
I think this discriminates me from both you and Peace. But as you know, I've had some incentive to begin exploring his side of the debate more lately.
We need a way of preserving the obvious fact that roaming around with machetes hacking people's limbs off, leaving them to die slowly, or to live a life maimed, is objectively bad for all.
I personally think that it follows from evolution that what is good for some, should be necessarily not good for others.
Right, like I like women. But because evolution eventually allowed us to love black people, Barrack Obama was made president, and now you can marry dudes like God intended.
I think we are discovering it through intense competition and whatever produces the most stable situation is the best "good" that we have at the moment.
Oh, so intense competition is not "science".
But as you know, I've had some incentive to begin exploring his side of the debate more lately.
At the same time, explore your sexuality. You might find God in an anus. He is omnipresent.
Trust me, if a framework where "science can determine human values" is adopted, then the same people telling us what constitutes hate speech will be deciding the "objective" standards of goodness.
[–] antiracistMetal [S] 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
There's utilitarianism, consequentialism, and realism. I'm thankful to Harris for converting me from relativist to realist.
I love Moore's open question argument. I just don't agree with it.
Your concerns about authority and Marxism do not undermine the case for realism.
@peaceseeker
[–] chirogonemd 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago (edited ago)
True.
Peace has pretty much been saying the same thing to you the whole time, re: the authority :).
In the case of the good, what's real? I just don't agree with Harris that it is an objective state whose determining features are true for everyone. I personally think that it follows from evolution that what is good for some, should be necessarily not good for others. As individuals and even as groups, I think we represent different "reaches" that ongoing human existence makes that are naturally at odds with each other. It's sort of like distributing risk in an investment portfolio. I don't think the "universe" knows what the good is. I think we are discovering it through intense competition and whatever produces the most stable situation is the best "good" that we have at the moment.
This makes me a moral anti-realist?
I think this discriminates me from both you and Peace. But as you know, I've had some incentive to begin exploring his side of the debate more lately.
@PeaceSeeker
[–] antiracistMetal [S] 0 points 3 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago
We need a way of preserving the obvious fact that roaming around with machetes hacking people's limbs off, leaving them to die slowly, or to live a life maimed, is objectively bad for all.
Right, like I like women. But because evolution eventually allowed us to love black people, Barrack Obama was made president, and now you can marry dudes like God intended.
Oh, so intense competition is not "science".
At the same time, explore your sexuality. You might find God in an anus. He is omnipresent.
@PeaceSeeker @bojangles @sarmegahhikkitha @heygeorge
You know how Jonah lived in a whale? @heygeorge lived in the anus of a whale.