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[–] FreeSpeachRocks 0 points 22 points (+22|-0) ago 

We hope but sometimes these proposals become immortal. Remember SOPA never passed either.

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[–] chakan2 0 points 24 points (+24|-0) ago 

There's too much corporate money behind this for it to die...it'll be back...again and again if need be.

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[–] DigitalRefugee 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

You're probably right, but don't forget this is something happening at a much larger scale. It involves multiple nations, each with their own complexities of politics and social expectations. Herding cats would be easier than trying to wrangle all of these players - not all of which are as inundated and corrupted as American politics with corporate influence.

Not to say they can't and won't try again, but at least it's hard for the bastards.

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[–] Mrs_Doyle [S] 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

But it's off for now and that's as good as it gets for the moment. I'll take it.

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[–] coldacid 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Every day that the dike doesn't break is another victory.

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[–] axolotl__peyotl 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago 

Source

In what is being called the "Maui Meltdown" by some, the TPP ministerial talks in Hawaii last week failed to produce the agreement that some hoped for, and many more expected. That's despite the fact that it was billed as definitely the last round.

The New York Times has a good summary of the key problems that need to be solved to achieve that elusive final deal:

"Tokyo was ready to extend major concessions on American truck tariffs but was blocked by Mexico, which wanted less competition for its own trucks in the United States market.

"Canada held firm on protecting its politically sensitive dairy market ahead of elections in October, but for New Zealand, a tiny country with huge dairy exports, that was unacceptable.

"And virtually all of the parties hated American protections of pharmaceutical firms, but a compromise on that issue could cost the support of Republicans in Congress."

It's not yet clear when all the negotiators will meet for yet another definitely final round -- some reports speak of one this month, others of a November meeting -- but it's already emerged that sectoral talks are taking place in an attempt to hammer out deals in the areas where problems remain.

But an analysis from Public Citizen suggests that it may not matter: it may already be too late for TPP.

"Assuming the quickest timeline conceivable under the Fast Track rules, and that somehow a required International Trade Commission (ITC) report on TPP impacts could be completed faster than has ever occurred for past pacts, a TPP vote could take place about four and one half months after Congress is given notice of intent to sign a deal. Thus, negotiations must conclude at the July 28-31 TPP ministerial and a text must be ready for notice of intent to sign by August 1. That text must be publicly posted on August 31. This would allow for a vote the week of December 14. After that, Congress goes on recess and a vote would roll to 2016."

Public Citizen's analysis is detailed -- it runs to several pages -- and errs on the side of assuming the US government can push TPP through the system faster than anything comparable before it. And yet even on that generous assumption, the key deadline -- August 1 -- has not been met, which means that the TPP vote is almost certain to take place in 2016. Here's why that's important:

"The political costs of an unpopular "yes" vote for the TPP will escalate if voting rolls into the 2016 presidential election year. Already Democratic and GOP presidential candidates have begun attacking the TPP and their public criticism is generating public attention on the pact’s potential threats of job loss and more. A 2016 TPP vote also would increase the risk that voters could punish those who vote "yes" on the TPP during the November 2016 congressional election."

Every passing day pushes any eventual TPP vote further into 2016, and diminishes the likelihood that it will be successful. The talks will continue, and agreement on the outstanding problematic areas may even be reached, but perhaps it no longer matters.

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[–] Mrs_Doyle [S] 0 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago 

HOORAY!!

Thanks for that!

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[–] axolotl__peyotl 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Sure! I was already preparing it to post this myself but you beat me to it by 5 minutes :P

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[–] stormking 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

They still have [massive distraction tactic] in their arsenal. Maybe a big amount of innocent, white US civilians will just happen to get harmed two days before the vote, followed by exclusive week-long news coverage that forgets about everything else...

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[–] DeadFrancisco 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

This is what those of us that care to follow actual news must not relax our diligence. If we don't want to live in a world where major corporations can buy laws, we have to be the voices that carry the real news to our peers.

We can never stop them from trying to buy the government, and for now at least, they can't stop us from calling them out.

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[–] ximian 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago  (edited ago)

take this with a pinch of salt. they have powerful backers, and it will return under various names.

Damn, I keep going back to the same quote over and over: Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty

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[–] moyni 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

We must fight the TPP and be stronk like bull. On a side note, its one of the few things I saw people talking about off of Voat. When I was in DC i saw a healthy amount of anti-TPP posters and billboards.

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[–] 1608687? 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

If you want to fight it, /v/TPPrally is the place to do it.

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[–] TSMBjergsenEgo 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Great news! Unfortunately we all know it'll be back eventually. I suppose all there is to do is keep up to date and educate people when you can.

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[–] makaw 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

For Canada they just need to wait till after the Election cycle. Maybe sweeten the deal for Mexico on something else. But I really still can't see Conservatives giving up on Big Pharma. They contribute waaay too much. Maybe they just have to wait for a more blue Congress and out donate the Unions.

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[–] Mrs_Doyle [S] 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Anybody still watching their news on television --- that's not where you get real news. That's where you get the skew and the propaganda and the real news never gets presented.

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[–] Sorahzahd 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Fucking suck it, TPP globalist scumbags! This is great!

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[–] Mrs_Doyle [S] 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

I upvoat your youthful enthusiasm.