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[–] ihaphleas 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Look, the details of the arrangement hardly matter. The point is whether the lender expects more back than what he lent.

Interest comes from the simple fact of time preference. Would you rather have $100 today or $100 in a year? Would you rather have $100 today or $200 in a year? At whatever point you decide to wait a year is your personal rate of interest for $100. Whatever the market rate of interest is is simply the rate at which the market for lending/borrowing clears.

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[–] virge [S] 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Look, my entire argument is that in a fractional reserve system like the US has today, it doesn't work that way, or just isn't that simple.

You are arguing basic economics, like a system with $1,000 where I take a $100 loan from you @ 10% interest and pay you back $110.

My entire argument is that in a fractional reserve system, it's more that there is a system with $1,000, and I take a $100 loan from you at $10 interest, and the system's currency base increases to $1,010 to accommodate the interest, which immediately makes my $100 worth less, and thus your $110 also worth less. This is predatory on everyone.

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[–] ihaphleas ago 

We weren't talking about fractional reserve banking, which is basically just fraud.

We were talking about interest on loans and whether it is moral/reasonable/rational/natural/etc.