[–] El_Syd 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Let's go with your example of pornography. In our free society we believe in the 1st amendment and the free expression of ideas in the form of art. Pictures of naked people have existed since the invention of the camera and there was minimal downside to society compared to the upside of allowing unbounded and prolific art to be created.
Now that freedom of expression is being manipulated in the form of pornography to corrupt and degrade our more productive members of society. Do we now outlaw and police some types of free expression at the cost of true artists because jews have manipulated our freedoms? Would it be better to allow the more liberal expressions of art and expel those that would torture and corrupt it?
[–] Blood-is-Nature 2 points -1 points 1 point (+1|-2) ago
In our free society (a lie; it's belief based slavery) we believe (the problem) in the 1st amendment (a liberty given by liars) and the free expression (another liberty) of ideas (that's the beliefs they deceived you into believing) in the form of art (another lie to control you).
This shit is been going on for thousands of years. Nothing changed in the 1% to 99% department, because humans are still making the same mistakes and never change their negative behavior; hence all the ass kicking of self destruction.
Pictures of naked people have existed since the invention of the camera and there was minimal downside to society compared to the upside of allowing unbounded and prolific art to be created.
Ever heard of Sodom and Gomorrah? These stories being constructed and history being all lies aside, but degeneracy based on lust was always going on hard. If anything they were way more active and creative in abusing each other with sadism. What changed is technology being utilized as means of control by spreading fear around, but when you look at it from the big picture you can see the corruption of selfishness (hedonism) spreading, making the parasites stronger, which led to them perfecting their means of exploitation.
Now that freedom of expression is being manipulated
Bullshit. You base freedom of expression on what other humans allowing you to do, but your freedom of choice is a liberty given to you by nature. You accept the authority of humans over the authority of nature; that's your blind faith in a false authority, which is exactly what they're exploiting, which is how they're controlling you.
to corrupt and degrade our more productive members of society
Well, they certainly aren't very productive in creating order aren't they? And how does a temptation like porn spread? By the selfish lust of those with their dicks in their hands. How very productive of them to sacrifice life essence into a sock on daily basis.
Do we now outlaw and police
Have you ever outlawed or policed anything or do you believe in the authority of those who do, thereby shirking your own responsibility to sustain yourself?
free expression
Hold up your fist and flip your middle finger. That's all you NEED for free expression. Everything you believe you WANT for free expression is how they have you by the balls. Do you know what you need to conceal carry a gun? A gun and at least boxer shorts. Everything else is what they made you believe you need. Do you need a drivers license to drive a car? Nope, just 30 minutes with your dad on an empty parking lot and you're good to go.
Would it be better to allow the more liberal expressions
Liberalism is literally another jewish invention to switch from communism to the modern conservatism. All just bullshit contradictions against your reasoning capabilities.
expressions of art
Define art. You do realize that you can only assume what art means if the artist doesn't tell you his intent behind it? And if you believe the artist you just put blind faith in his false authority, so you also just assumed he's telling you the truth. What this boils down to is that there's no such thing as art, because everything can be interpreted as such and thereby contradicted. What can't be contradicted is the natural trait of creativity that leads to all kind of cool stuff. The problem comes when you use your assumptions to claim what is more creative then something else.
expel those that would torture and corrupt it
Which would show all the rest of the world how easy it is to control you through art, and by expelling them you just made yourself the art critic, which is yet another selfish position of power that will corrupt you into exploiting others, which then come after you.
[–] El_Syd 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
We all allow for some constraints by government in order to achieve group harmony and the accomplishments that come with it. Your critiques are unworkable, as evidence that no society has ever successfully implemented them, and pessimistic.
I suggest reading The Law by Frederic Bastiat. It's a succinct essay on the value of the rule of law.
[–] zxcvbnasdf 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
We've filled people with the idea that God is dead, and now wonder why they consider themselves to be gods. We are at an inflection point, I think.
There are going to be those who look around at the world, notice the decaying corpse, and realize the wisdom in the Bible:
Those with eyes to see and ears to hear will understand. Those who have given themselves over to their passions, will not.
Our only mission is to love everyone. To treat them with their proper respect due to their station, and to accept the consequences of that with humility and grace, as our Lord did on the Cross. As Our Lady did as she watched our Lord on the Cross. As the disciples did as they were tortured for speaking the truth.
The truth can only be hidden if good men allow it to be. If good men fear death. But our Lord tells us to be not afraid. To have joy and happiness in this world. We should always remember:
[–] Blood-is-Nature ago
All very interesting, now would you be so nice and address the following issue...a system based on constant change demands adaptation to ever changing circumstances from its participants (like us). Now in nature; belief is only ever temporary as a response of our survial instinct towards an unknown, which is automatically followed by curiosity towards the unknown, which will lead to the path of knowledge, which makes the unknown known. That is called adaptation. Holding onto a belief from then on out becomes stagnation, because it is then the natural temptation of selfishness (hedonism) to hold on to a belief, and thereby restricting the comprehension of natural reality to your own belief.
Since holding a belief is the prerequisite for all religions...well, you tell us the rest. Btw have you noticed that nature doesn't name anything, and that humans created languages? Do you want to know why nature doesn't name anything? Because in a constantly changing system you cannot declare a truth, since everything would be an assumption based on the constant change. In other words it would be a lie, because time will change your assumption.
Any comment?
[–] zxcvbnasdf ago (edited ago)
Thank you for giving me the opportunity to share this, I find your questions insightful and helpful in elucidating aspects of Christianity that most are unfamiliar with, or haven't thought about. Thank you for this opportunity with your sincere question.
I agree, almost entirely with the first part. The difference is our understanding of what that means.
Specifically, you believe "holding onto a belief from then on out becomes stagnation", however that's not necessarily true. It actually forms a logical problem with your theory to assert it's always true, because by your theory you would eventually have to throw it out because it will become stagnant (whereas I hope you just modify your theory slightly).
As I see it, you can either say what you have presented is a "meta theory" (a theory about theories), at which point we can agree that "meta theories" exist, and talk about why I believe the Christian "meta theory" is true. If you're not convinced that "meta theories" exist, however, then this theory is temporary, for if it's not temporary, then it seems that implies your basic theory is false (because we have a belief that is not temporary).
Assuming we believe in "meta theories", or deep truths, then I would say what you are describing is exactly the message that God gave us in the Bible 2000 years ago. In fact, it's the message that God communicated to Noah, almost 5000 years ago. It is the first commandment.
In the quoted text above, we see Jesus saying:
Jesus speaks of "the Spirit of truth", because that's who God is. Truth. Perfection. However you want to call it. Jesus also tells us, in John 14:6
You cannot get to the Truth except through Him. You are cut off from it. So if you deny the Truth? If you deny Jesus? Then you will gain ideas that are of this earth. You will be lead astray as situations change. You will fail in understanding, because you are not seeing clearly, but through the lens of the world.
Ah yes. Exactly. This is what makes Genesis so beautiful. God created the heavens and the earth by speaking! He spoke, and it was done. He then gave us authority over the animals of the earth, and had us name them. Why? So we can understand them. So we can begin to use the power that He has given us. The power of speech. The power of naming and categorization. A power that God possesses perfectly, that we possess imperfectly.
So yes humans are the first creatures with language. For that is why God created us. As free creatures, because only free creatures are capable of love. Free creatures who, in our limited state, can either choose to love perfection, and therefore God because God is perfect, or despise and resent it. We can either come closer to God, or hide from Him. But we can never escape Him, because He is everything.
Nature follows the laws of physics, broadly speaking. So there are deep truths that nature has "named" as true, broadly speaking. Encoded in the language of mathematics. So I understand your point. I would even go further and say that there is no obvious boundary between you and the rest of the world. There is no obvious point in time when the computer you're reading this on began to exist. These are all conventions that are used to help us understand information that we are processing in our brains. The fact that this information can be coherently talked about is amazing. In fact mathematicians and scientists often talk about "The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Mathematics in the Natural Sciences" (famous paper).
So while on the one hand I want to agree, and say yes, things do change over time, I also want to say that God is perfect and perfect doesn't change, otherwise it wouldn't be perfect. And so we are living in a universe in which nature does change, and why is that? And I would say it's due to the free choice of human creatures and the fact that nature is not God. It's our inability to maintain perfection that causes decay and destruction in the world. If we were perfect, then things wouldn't change as we know them. If we were perfectly loving then things would be completely different. And that, I feel, is the promise of Heaven.
Suffice it to say that we agree on a lot. I just believe there are things we can know, based on my experience. I believe these things are true for many reasons, not least of which because they work and allow an understanding of reality that has predictive success, which, as a scientist, I care about.
Why do you think mathematics describes reality so well, out of curiosity?