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[–] kneo24 ago 

High level skill? I'm sorry, there's no high level skill in most manufacturing. It's why you can grab most anyone from the street and teach them how to do the job. People may attain high proficiency in what they're doing over time because it's repetitive, but calling it high level skill is not even close to accurate.

What China and other countries have are lax labor laws where they can force their workers to work 20 hour days to meet crazy last minute demands or change overs.

Also, Tienanmen Square was a real event.

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[–] redwing14 1 point -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

High level skill? I'm sorry, there's no high level skill in most manufacturing. It's why you can grab most anyone from the street and teach them how to do the job. People may attain high proficiency in what they're doing over time because it's repetitive, but calling it high level skill is not even close to accurate.

You are referring to manual labor... not skilled labor. Working a cnc machine, welding, and jobs higher level than that require years of experience. Might as well do those jobs since we have a good structure in our society. Like how Japan and germany are VERY strong in these fields.

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[–] kneo24 ago 

Correct yourself all you like, you made a very general statement about manufacturing. A lot of manufacturing done, even in Asia, is not skilled labor. You haven't said anything yet that disproves that. So, keep on sucking the cock of those Chinese for all I care.

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[–] duckswagger ago 

The workforce in china in the mid to high end manufacturing sectors have 10-20 years experience.

They also have experience eating random wild animals and becoming a bridge for novel viruses. It's happened more than once. Not only that, but when it suits them, their government is perfectly happy to shut off the supply to the United States. There's no amount of efficiency that makes these risks acceptable.

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[–] redwing14 ago 

There's no amount of efficiency that makes these risks acceptable.

You don't understand, you have to make a viable plan to change the situation... They have efficiency, effectiveness and their currency and wages are low. Add to the fact the country is so huge(unable at the current time to enforce laws to 1.5+ billion people despite being a middle of the road country), and there's a huge incentive for workers to make fakes, or to do these things since they won't get caught that easily and the upside is huge.. Their manufacturing is probably 20x more capable when you look at the entirety of their manufacturing. So yeah, there is a reason everything in your house is made in China, and not from India, or vietnam.. despite those countries having LOWER wages than china.. so their clearly is a competitive advantage and ability the chinese have.

Not only that, but when it suits them, their government is perfectly happy to shut off the supply to the United States. There's no amount of efficiency that makes these risks acceptable.

I haven't seen them shut off anything to the usa. Money is money. I'd be interested in hearing where they may or have done this before.

But it's currently impossible to make most things in the usa... the companies can't compete with other companies that have manufacturing and distribution in China. China signed the trade deal with America but definitely are not and probably have not abided by the goods America demands them to buy since it's forceful. So again, china probably can get a better deal from food and agriculture from brazil, or india, or europe, canada. A country is a company, and America is a crumbling country, sad to say. We gotta develop high level trade skills and make high end goods to sell to the chinese middle class and upper middle class. To be manufacturers for our own companies and for chinese companies. Trying to compete in a place we are losers in, low end and mid end manufacturing.. is a losers mindset. Literally China, and south east asian, africa are going to eventually be winners in those areas. The clear move is to allow china to set up manufacturing in America and then have people work in those factories. And for local people to set it up themselves.

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[–] duckswagger ago 

so their clearly is a competitive advantage and ability the chinese have.

It's all irrelevant when considering strategic value. It wouldn't matter if they could make the stuff for 1/100th the price.

But it's currently impossible to make most things in the usa... the companies can't compete with other companies that have manufacturing and distribution in China.

Tariffs are an easy way to fix that.

The clear move is to allow china to set up manufacturing in America and then have people work in those factories.

Ha ha ha. Were you born jewish or something? Chinese owning strategic infrastructure in the United States? How about letting Iran own Israeli factories?