[–] redwing14 8 points -6 points 2 points (+2|-8) ago
nah. you don't understand. It's much more advantageous when the people there can be better skilled if you pay for it. If you haven't noticed chinese are much more efficient.. If you get a bunch of mexicans to do the job then yes we can have equally hard working people.. but that doesn't help white people. Luxury goods like balenciaga, and other high end goods can be made there. It's almost like saying 'lets beat the chinese in ping pong'... yeah that's not going to happen... they have the skill! You see? There is high level skill there, that has been there for 20 years now. Including them being close to vietnam and other poor places which they source parts from. Everything there is fast, people aren't lazy and fat like americans..
The workforce in china in the mid to high end manufacturing sectors have 10-20 years experience. They are highly consistent and there are tens of thousands of skilled worker for a type of job. Looking at America, there was manufacturing here that had to redo their clothing, and their quality sucks because there isn't the tens of thousand of people with skills. And the ones that did have skill were the fucking 'chinese'... We gotta be like the Japanese and only build high end shit. Or like europe who has luxury goods.. Our only skill so far is eating and buying expensive products.. no other skill..
[–] kneo24 0 points 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago
High level skill? I'm sorry, there's no high level skill in most manufacturing. It's why you can grab most anyone from the street and teach them how to do the job. People may attain high proficiency in what they're doing over time because it's repetitive, but calling it high level skill is not even close to accurate.
What China and other countries have are lax labor laws where they can force their workers to work 20 hour days to meet crazy last minute demands or change overs.
Also, Tienanmen Square was a real event.
[–] redwing14 1 point -1 points 0 points (+0|-1) ago
High level skill? I'm sorry, there's no high level skill in most manufacturing. It's why you can grab most anyone from the street and teach them how to do the job. People may attain high proficiency in what they're doing over time because it's repetitive, but calling it high level skill is not even close to accurate.
You are referring to manual labor... not skilled labor. Working a cnc machine, welding, and jobs higher level than that require years of experience. Might as well do those jobs since we have a good structure in our society. Like how Japan and germany are VERY strong in these fields.
[–] pickled 0 points 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago
Americans are among the hardest working people in the world. We work some of the longest most grueling hours available. No paid sick leave no vacation in many cases and no fucking siestas like Euro cucks get. We grind hard and do so with integrity. The reason Chinese labor is in such high demand is because they can hide their shit craftsmanship with raw numbers. 500,000 defective units in the face of 8000000 units produced doesn't seem so bad considering the price point. Americans would be held to a higher standard and not just that, they would expect the product they're building to meet their expectations too. Like it or not, I believe the world is scared that they might just be willing to pay a tad more for a superior product.
[–] redwing14 0 points 0 points 0 points (+0|-0) ago
No paid sick leave no vacation in many cases and no fucking siestas like Euro cucks get. We grind hard and do so with integrity
Getting cucked by big businesses does not mean you are hard working. You are getting reamed..
When I go into factories, the mexicans and asians work by far the hardest. We literally have a bunch of white male snowflakes who cry at everything...
500,000 defective units in the face of 8000000 units produced doesn't seem so bad considering the price point. Americans would be held to a higher standard and not just that, they would expect the product they're building to meet their expectations too. Like it or not, I believe the world is scared that they might just be willing to pay a tad more for a superior product.
Iphones come from china. All smartphones are made well. Most of what you are saying with defective units is simply small manufacturing businesses. They literally expect the thing to break. It's almost a scam... What they do is smart. They cut the cost next to zero, they speed up the manufacturing, and they don't do a qc test. What a good manufacturer in China does is to do the work efficiently and gain a reputation. 70% are good manufacturers, 30% are nearly scams looking to gain a profit.
Americans would be held to a higher standard and not just that, they would expect the product they're building to meet their expectations too. Like it or not, I believe the world is scared that they might just be willing to pay a tad more for a superior product.
That has yet to be proven.. it's actually been proven for decades americans want the most for cheap. The only place this works is if its a premium and luxury item.. but chinese will just set up manufacturing plants in china and do the same quality if they want. If they want they can do the same or better quality. Only the highlevel watchmaking or high end leather making stuff is safe.. since it takes a very long history and experienced industry to do that. Just like how chinese manufacturing is equally as prolific.
[–] duckswagger 1 point 0 points 1 point (+1|-1) ago
Efficiency is secondary when it comes to strategic goods. Plus, I'm not saying don't trade, just don't eliminate your capabilities to take up production when necessary. 25% should keep a strong base of knowledgeable people and industry in the United States that could be tapped to gear up should the need arise.
[–] duckswagger ago
They also have experience eating random wild animals and becoming a bridge for novel viruses. It's happened more than once. Not only that, but when it suits them, their government is perfectly happy to shut off the supply to the United States. There's no amount of efficiency that makes these risks acceptable.
[–] redwing14 ago
You don't understand, you have to make a viable plan to change the situation... They have efficiency, effectiveness and their currency and wages are low. Add to the fact the country is so huge(unable at the current time to enforce laws to 1.5+ billion people despite being a middle of the road country), and there's a huge incentive for workers to make fakes, or to do these things since they won't get caught that easily and the upside is huge.. Their manufacturing is probably 20x more capable when you look at the entirety of their manufacturing. So yeah, there is a reason everything in your house is made in China, and not from India, or vietnam.. despite those countries having LOWER wages than china.. so their clearly is a competitive advantage and ability the chinese have.
I haven't seen them shut off anything to the usa. Money is money. I'd be interested in hearing where they may or have done this before.
But it's currently impossible to make most things in the usa... the companies can't compete with other companies that have manufacturing and distribution in China. China signed the trade deal with America but definitely are not and probably have not abided by the goods America demands them to buy since it's forceful. So again, china probably can get a better deal from food and agriculture from brazil, or india, or europe, canada. A country is a company, and America is a crumbling country, sad to say. We gotta develop high level trade skills and make high end goods to sell to the chinese middle class and upper middle class. To be manufacturers for our own companies and for chinese companies. Trying to compete in a place we are losers in, low end and mid end manufacturing.. is a losers mindset. Literally China, and south east asian, africa are going to eventually be winners in those areas. The clear move is to allow china to set up manufacturing in America and then have people work in those factories. And for local people to set it up themselves.