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[–] PeaceSeeker ago  (edited ago)

It is not we that are above our own nature - we are our own nature. It is God Who is above us, and what grace He chooses to give us is far more important than the nature that grace perfects.

Obviously our characteristics are genetically linked - insofar as they are corporeal characteristics. However it is a materialist blunder to assume corporeal characteristics determine behaviour. It is the free will that determines behaviour, and the free will is incorporeal - although obviously united with the body, including the brain, but it is just as obviously not entirely reducible to the body and brain, as any neurologist or behavioural psychologist will be first to admit. Many attempts have been made to explain the mind on purely materialist terms but all have failed. The simple fact of the matter is that in order for the scientific equality of brain = consciousness to be made, a conceptual distinction must be drawn (in the way that there exists a clear conceptual distinction between H2O and water), but this has not and cannot be achieved. There is simply no reconciling the immateriality of the experience of consciousness with the material of the brain and body. Materialism is a faith that disintegrates under its own weight, as can be seen the moment a materialist, who claims to serve Truth, attempts to explain how Truth or any of the other immaterial principles upon which he depends can possibly be fully reduced to matter.

Once it is understood that man is a physical being, which as Dr Wolfgang Smith explains, means he is a material or corporeal body with an immaterial system or "form" (just as Aristotle and St. Thomas Aquinas assert, who were both individually 10 times more intelligent than the most enlightened of all materialists); once this is understood, and the immaterial nature of man's soul, and therefore his intellect and free will as well, then it no longer becomes an issue understanding how something immaterial like grace, which is greater than man, can have such a profound effect.

This worldview, which is no more based on faith than the materialist view, since materialism also supposes unfalsifiably that all things are reducible to matter/energy within time/space...this worldview is the most coherent of all worldviews, and does not struggle to explain anything, like the many highly skilled, moral, intelligent pure-blooded Africans who far exceed in work ethic and morality the degenerate pure-blooded Europeans of the modern West (see Cardinal Serah, whose parents were totem-worshipping pagans while he himself, after accepting Baptism and all the grace associated with it, has achieved the second-highest position within the Catholic Church and is a brilliant high-IQ Thomist besides. And again I reference the Holy Ghost Fathers and the revolutionary transformations of African societies they witnessed as they went through baptizing the pagans of Africa. Cardinal Serah is one such example of this very missionary activity). Needless to say, the biological determinists are powerless to explain this dynamic in the modern world without making ridiculous assertions, like all successful Africans have some small amount of magic European DNA somewhere in their history, while at the same time the degenerate Europeans have all been "lulled" by chemicals in the water that are turning thr frogs gay...

Your worldview is incoherent and fatally flawed and will NEVER in a million years or more approach the coherence, beauty and Truth of the Catholic faith...because the doctrine of the Church is one with the essence of God, which is unchangeable Truth itself.

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[–] Inquisitioner 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Your worldview is incoherent and fatally flawed

It is entirely coherent. We're made of matter and energy, we follow its rules. Until we see evidence that a person can defy the rules of matter and energy, I see no reason to believe otherwise.

corporeal characteristics determine behaviour

It's already been proven that for the most part, they do. We're already hunting down the individual genes that determine traits, and have so far found around 10% of behavioral genes directly.

like the many highly skilled, moral, intelligent pure-blooded Africans who far exceed in work ethic and morality

Genetic influence is probabilistic, so we would expect that outliers would form in large populations, but the large populations themselves have an even higher genetic correlation with their differences than individuals, up into the 90%+ range, AND they have a tendency towards genetic mean behaviors over time. So, you COULD make Africans to all become engineers, but you would need to apply constant, tremendous effort and resources, more than the world has available right now, endlessly to make it happen. The instant you stop applying those efforts, regression to racial mean behavior commences; hence why the Congo went from being a decent Belgian colony to being just another African hellhole the moment they were granted autonomy. That is because nature isn't something you can beat by rambling about the consciousness or the spirit. The only way you can make your method work is with White Imperialism, whereby you force your White virtues on alien peoples, to whom these values do not come naturally.

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[–] PeaceSeeker ago  (edited ago)

It is entirely coherent.

It is not, for the reasons I stated and many others. There are many things whose existence is self-evident which plainly cannot be reduced to matter, and so upholding an ideology that claims unfalsifiably that all things are reducible to matter is untenable.

We're made of matter and energy, we follow its rules. Until we see evidence that a person can defy the rules of matter and energy, I see no reason to believe otherwise.

It is not a matter of defying matter; insofar as we are material we obey immaterial principles that pertain to matter. Insofar as we are immaterial (our spirit) we obey immaterial principles that pertain to the immaterial. These very "rules of matter" you cite are by their nature immaterial. So is Truth itself.

It's already been proven that for the most part, they do. 

No, it has not. Characteristics have been associated with genetics because characteristics are corporeal. Behaviour has not been and cannot be associated with genetics because behaviour is linked to the free will, whose existence is also self-evident and which cannot be reduced to material as I've already explained.

We're already hunting down the individual genes that determine traits

Traits != Behaviour.

Genetic influence is probabilistic, so we would expect that outliers would form in large populations

Now calculate the probability of entire villages changing their behaviour entirely after baptism and catechesis. This isn't a matter of outliers; it is a causal connection between grace and the power of the free will over behaviour.