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[–] Inquisitioner ago 

Christian Africa is still as shit as Muslim Africa. I'd argue prideful, nationalist whtes are more likely to succeed than any factor pertaining to Christianity or Catholicism.

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[–] PeaceSeeker ago 

You must not know much about Christian Africa. You should look into the eye witness accounts of the Holy Ghost Fathers such as Archbishop Lefebvre and what they perceived occurring in the African people after receiving Baptism. If baptized Africans were given the same amount of time to civilize as Christian Europe had, they would be unrecognizable from what they are now -- just as modern Europeans are unrecognizable from their pre-Baptismal predecessors.

Yes, there were pre-Christian European civilizations. There were pre-Christian African civilizations too. Architecture and plumbing does not a civilization make - morality does, and it is Christianity that cured Europe of its pagan traditions, such as usury, slavery, and sexual immorality. It was Christian Europe that allowed the founding of hospitals and real schools, or a real intellectual tradition, of mobilized labour and real societal morality in conformity with natural law. Only ignorance of history enables one to dismiss the invaluable role Christianity has played for civilization in general.

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[–] Inquisitioner 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

If baptized Africans were given the same amount of time to civilize as Christian Europe had, they would be unrecognizable from what they are now

Genetics proves otherwise. Most traits are around 0.5 heritability, and intelligence becomes 0.75-0.82 heritable by age 24. Political and ideological inclinations are also significantly heritable, at around 0.5. In fact, there is currently a search to find any trait that ISN'T significantly affected by genes. But on top of this, we know the averages vary by race, and of the specific genes that have been isolated pertaining to aggression, delay of gratification, intelligence, height, BMI, you name it, they all vary by race to a significant degree. No amount of education or faith is going to change what is coded into our very flesh, and it is arrogance of the highest degree to think that we are somehow "above" the biological reality of human nature.

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[–] ant_earth ago 

What has two thousand years of christianity given us that we didn’t already have before? We’re currently more enslaved than ever

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[–] PeaceSeeker ago 

It is a result of turning away from Christianity (Protestant Revolution and Enlightenment) that has returned us to the slavery that we were subjected to prior to Christianity. As for what Christianity has given us: everything that the "white guys" associate with "whiteness" - high-trust societies, organized education, functional healthcare, the scientific tradition and all the technological advancements that come with it, formalized philosophy and intellectual tradition, societal morality, mobilized labour, and a bulwark against the instruments of Satan, such as usury, sexual liberation, slavery, and the like.

Yes, the Romans and the Greeks were pre-Christian - but what good did exist in those civilizations was grossly outweighed by the bad, and it was Christianity that perfected the good and eliminated the bad. The Romans and the Greeks were both reliant on slavery and did not have functional mobilization of labour; both were grotesquely immoral with their sexuality; both suffered under usury. They have technology (which emerged from their history of war) and contributed to architectural advancements, and the beginnings of a philosophical tradition which collapsed under its own graceless weight and was only preserved by Christian scholars. Nothing those two civilizations had was unique to the world (the Asians had technologies of war and architecture, as well as much older philosophical traditions), and the rest of Europe were barbarians. It was Christianity that civilized Europe truly, that united Europe, and that preserved Europe from the barbarous Mohammedans for centuries. Only after turning away from Christianity, and thus abandoning the grace that comes with holding the True Faith, has Europe begun to degenerate and crumble.

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[–] KingMortales 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

These christcucks never discuss how the Roman empire, a society as advanced as anything before the industrial revolution, existed before Christianity.

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[–] PeaceSeeker ago 

The Church has never struggled to answer this weak objection. It is the same objection made by the Indifferentist heretics who try to point out that there are some apparent tangible goods existing within the false religions of the world. The simple answer is that these goods exist in spite of the false worship and not because of it. As I said to the character above, the good of the pre-Christian European civilizations paled in comparison to the bad - for the good existed practically per accidens while the bad existed per se, or was essentially linked to the civilizations themselves. In other words the pre-Christian civilizations were founded upon evils that ultimately led to their collapse. I am talking about dependence on slavery (no mobilized / just labour system), usury (no moral economic system), and sexual degeneracy (no sexuality conforming to the moral order). A sophisticated war machine and advanced architecture looks impressive but is nothing unique, and China and Japan had equally if not more impressive military and architectural traditions long before the Greeks and Romans figured it out. The only point where Europe actually began to surpass the rest of the world was after its conversion and unification through Christianity, where it developed a true scientific tradition preserved through the schools founded by monks, formalized philosophy preserved through the monastic system, healthcare via nun-managed hospitals, and actually moral economic and sexual norms.

If you think DNA is what made Europe great than you have an unfortunately juvenile understanding of human history, and no conception whatever of the vital role that grace has played throughout it all. You would do well to study history more closely (and delve into theology while you are at it).