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[–] bizzywiz 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

CLOSE THE FUCKING BORDER

how?

seriously...the fucktwat democrats "resist" EVERY SINGLE THING Trump does...if you can't admit that then you are obviously on some really good drugs (can you inform me of the combination??? I really feel the need to totally lose touch with reality sometimes and I've never found a combo that truly does that for me)

don't mistake me, I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiments, but being real there are issues far beyond just closing the borders...and just how effective would that be anyway? being real, it's far too late to stop what may or may not come, it got out and that can be blamed on the filthy Chicoms (in more ways than one most likely)

my biggest concern at this moment is the reported reinfections...that is a real scary proposition there...if people are not building an immunity to it then that's real, real, bad news

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[–] Obrez [S] ago  (edited ago)

It's likely that reinfections are about 14% as have been reported which would be consistent with relapse into viral pneumonia and the idea that it is mutating so quickly that people are catching a mutation.

If dems block the border closing they will get politically eviscerated from their own side who are mostly weak, sickly and infirm people anyway, they are scared of this thing big time, blocking a border closing would cinch this thing for trump. A challenge to the closing would be rescinded in hours.

We are all likely to get sick from it in our lifetimes even if we close the border; the goal is to slow it down so that we can prevent everyone from getting sick all at once clogging up the medical system resulting in a massive spike in deaths and fucking up productivity and the markets with annual quarantines.

If we can delay it long enough to develop a vaccine the R0 will go down dramatically when we inoculate the population. This virus is "novel" meaning until december no one had been infected with a virus that uses the mechanisms of infection this one uses so no person on earth had any antibodies/immunity to it, our immune systems are based on having prior experience with similar viruses that's why a vaccine even only 50% effective would halve the Rate of infection(R0) from something like 3 new infections on average to 1.5 making this thing no less deadly in and of itself but reducing spread and fatalities and ease of quarantine, with successive generations of infection conferred immunity will build and this thing will just become a common flu season bug.

The danger is in collapsing the medical supply lines and occupying all of the beds and respirators in hospitals in the meantime.

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[–] version7 1 point -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

But look at who you're talking about. What would you expect?

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[–] Obrez [S] 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

They seemed like they were getting better for a while...

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[–] WORF_MOTORBOATS_TROI 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Where?

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[–] Obrez [S] 2 points 0 points (+2|-2) ago  (edited ago)

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[–] Jorcone 1 point -1 points (+0|-1) ago  (edited ago)

How are some of the posts delusional.... some produce solid questions due to government and MSM misinformation over the decades. The delusion is assuming all are delusional.

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[–] sore_ass_losers 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

each family will have at least one patient who spent 2-4 weeks in the hospital on oxygen and a respirator

Not enough hospitals? I do see your comments about prioritizing.

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[–] Obrez [S] 2 points 1 point (+3|-2) ago 

Absolutely, in china they are black bagging pneumonia patients with bad social credit or excessive age, calling them dead and incinerating them as is procedure, military did pick ups every 5 hours as of last week. Nowhere near enough hospital beds; every week case size should be roughly tripling outside of effective quarantine; meaning in 50 days you would go from 1 case to thirty thousand then another 50 days you would have 30,000X30,000=900,000,000 the only thing preventing that from happening is the limit of the host population in size and distance so what this means is without quarantine in 100 days every person in new york city would have been exposed enough to be infected then reinfected by a new mutation, when those hospitals all fill up people will start breaking quarantine to get beds for their loved ones in other areas and it all starts over.

The real threat here is the rate of infection while a vaccine wont stop this thing it will slow it down enough that society wont collapse under the weight of the burdens on our population imposed by a pandemic of this magnitude. The R0 value is only so high because no humans on earth have any immunity to it, that's what being a "novel" virus means a previous exposure via a vaccine will slow it down by reducing the R0 and this should inhibit mutations drastically further slowing the virus down. It will become just another endemic flu.