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[–] Obrez 1 point 2 points (+3|-1) ago  (edited ago)

I never understood how right wingers could be mad at MRAs I get it "more white babies" I agree we need more whites but marrying yourself to a dumpster fire that will divorce you at the drop of a hat and ruin your children like we see all around us every day all day, is a terrible idea, there aren't enough good women to go around today so we need to scare the next generation of girls into abandoning feminism by refusing to associate with the women who fuel the coal fire that is burning our civilization. You could logically say that will leave us with a lost generation of men and women but I say we use the left's tactics against itself, they want to push degeneracy by lowering the age of consent and we want obedient women whose place is in the home, we should be pushing an age gap so that right-wing men establish themselves and marry the youngest girls they are legally able to, the goal being to mimic the control our ancestors had over their women by not giving them this time destroy their purity and become poison to their people, it's a successful strategy in Islam and other conquest cultures.

Not every mgtow is trying to achieve this but most could be led to this position, yes there are degenerate mgtow, who avoid all Western women like the plague and will settle for Asians who treat them well, the problem anyone on the right should have isn't with mgtow, mgtow is a symptom of a cancer in our society and that cancer is women's liberation.

Instead of flinging turds at the various men's movements you should be nurturing and guiding them because they were the road most of us traveled to get here and can guide many more.

I'll outline how the elements of what was once called the manosphere guided me and how in turn we should be nurturing them towards our shared end goals.

In high school I did one of the very first no fap challenges on 4chan, in small part to see if I could do it but in part because I wanted the rumored/speculated testosterone boost and primarily the top shelf orgasm at the other end, this challenge was promoted on image boards along side many guides for the extremely lustful interests of young men to master or at least learn the arts of seduction so I dedicated much time to studying and practicing pick up artistry, from a fatherless home myself I had no guidance about women most boys growing up today won't have a man to guide them in their relationships, they need guidance and PUAs mostly care about pussy, not society. From here I found a community birthed by the intersection of the mass of men abstaining masterbation finding newfound motivation to pursue carnal pursuits with desperate efficiency and discovering the state of women it has evolved into a social theory that continually proves itself and bases itself on mass collection of field data and self improvement, The Red Pill, "TRP" has brother movements that b came the "manosphere" around a decade ago: NoFap a half formed brother which was coopted by controlled opposition and killed from within in just a few years. MGTOW, these were men saying that they weren't interested in pursuing the common women of our time, not some vow to remain celibate or avoid marriage or shun all women but to set their own standards and keep them, some men in this group have impossible standards or just hide behind the label as a coping mechanism but most are just disregaurding females on some general terms, if a good woman made an effort to make a catch out of one she would be able to 9 out of 10 times. MRAs, men's rights advocates, these guys are doing a good thing and fighting the culture war against feminism, politically I'm not necessarily a fan of their notion of fixing the problem at hand, I see them as combat medics providing emergency care to a system that has been shit in the aorta and needs serious intervention they cannot provide but they have good optics and raise the big problems to people blinded by kikes. A huge spattering of cucks and kikes subverting these movements internally, whom we could identify and show the [wooden] door if more of us chose to interact with and guide these movements. The last is the newborns of the manosphere it's sort of the aborted child if the time when that buzzword was gaining steam, the Incel community. "Incels" [involuntary celibates] are complicated many are frustrated aging virgins but it genuinely appears that many are just men who have come to learn the true nature of women and hate them, and so I would say that the Incel community are maybe half virgins, maybe a bit more, only half of whom are really involuntary celibates the other half just won't fuck fatties, uggly chicks, negresses etc, they are picky, they want good women but they can read the matrix and so don't try until they find a great girl then have no chance because they have no experience with a remotely successful relationship. The other side of the Incel community are mgtow and trp guys who just hate the modern woman and enjoy the Incel community memes and banter.

The right should be guiding the no fap community as it once did before sectarian division between Protestants and Catholics were wedged open by kikes and sjws who wanted to kill it. TRP and PUA can't be lead by us but we should be making a pro social argument for behavior in these places and teaching the tricks to our men and boys, they have great advice even for men looking to marry virgins as a virgin, they are a good portal by which to mentor young men looking for masculine guidance. MGTOW men are at the very least busy worker bees looking to improve their lives and ripe for the redpill on Jews and many other things, we should be able to get along and ideologically pollinate them. We should be participating if only to drive kikes out, these communities already lean right across the board rejecting them would be foolish when we need allies and allowing kikes to flourish and defeat whom they perceive as a threat where we could easily fight them back would be a massive failure on our part. The Incel crown aren't great optics but they make good memes and are extraordinarily politically incorrect these aren't men we should discard these are the men we should be fighting for, to help them lift themselves up and pursue a future with more white children.

Lastly I say these groups and what I have described here are the folks who pursued gamergate caused the creation of 8chan, the kickoff for the right wing swing and ultimately the memetic warfare that powered Trump's 2016 election in fact all of the top mods on r/the_donald in the beginning were TRP mods and shit posters and they had it stolen from them because kikes fear an empowered white man who dominates his relationships with womenand can avoid/identify poison women.

TL;DR: MGTOW doesn't mean no to marriage or children or women, it means no to a bad deal, most mgtow are just improving themselves to try and get a better deal.

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[–] BordelonLoop 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

"we should be pushing an age gap so that right-wing men establish themselves and marry the youngest girls they are legally able to, the goal being to mimic the control our ancestors had over their women by not giving them this time destroy their purity and become poison to their people, it's a successful strategy in Islam and other conquest cultures."

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[–] varialus 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

It's supposed to be like Feminism 1.0 but is portrayed by its opponents to be like Feminism 2.0.

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[–] CowboyXero 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Me at present:

-Working (One Day Job, One Side Hustle)

-Learning (One to two hours per day through Cybrary, Udemy and Khan Academy, respectively for a possible side hustle to turn into a profiting business later)

-Rebuilding Finances (paying off debt while making small investments as I'm able to in precious metals)

-Exercising (Five to six days per week, two hours per day minimum)

-Happy (Exercise isn't just changing me physically but mentally as well. Depression has been sent packing)

-No Drugs (unless you're counting caffiene and nicotine which the latter, I can do days without)

-No Wife, No Girlfriend, No Children

Went my own way after my second divorce. My quality of life improved. During my second marriage I thought, "How the hell can it get any worse than this?" Then the post-Divorce happened and it did. Blue State. I got through all of that. In my own opinion, my life is pretty sick awesome. More so now than during the last couple years of marriage and much better than the few years post-Divorce.

Right now, for me, everything's ducky. Now, let's go into your post.

Right now, you can see that I am an independent person. Getting stronger physically every day. Let's say that I decide right this second to go find someone to fall in love with, maybe marry but definitely have children with. There's no quality of life there for any of us. Financially, I'm not able to support a marriage and a child even if conditions were ideal which we all know they never are all the time. So what benefit would me having a large family be if I have no means to support it? I've seen some bitch, piss and moan that their children will be paying for my retirement so the opposite of that if I were to do it right now would be their entire family paying for mine. Not something you want, not something I want.

Take into consideration the area I'm in at present. Let's say, conservatively, there's an estimate of about 90% of women that have addictions (face it, that's what they are) to drugs like Xanax, Prozac, Adderall, Ritalin and Concerta. In my day job, I see the amount of women that "need" that shit to get along. One script for that is bad enough but for some it's a combo of the two or three. I've been up against that in my last marriage. You can't "sculpt" that and the doctors? They don't want to work with you at all. You're interrupting their customer base. In fact, they want YOU on that stuff too and they think something is wrong with YOU if you refuse. Of that 90%, they're on these drugs, attending Marxist indoctrination centers and they have a drug-reinforced, mentally-ill belief system that is boosted by media like CNN which is popularly consumed. They #BelieveAllWomen and #MeToo and just go for the official story hook, line and sucker. That's a minefield. Search for the 10% and maybe you succeed...big maybe. Better chance that you're going to hit a mine and anyone can be a minesweeper...once.

Now let's say that I go my own way for the time being. I spend time building my situation, my wealth, my mind and my body into the best they've ever been and I choose to protect that. Then, I'm in a far better situation. Then I can move to an area where the mix isn't such a minefield. Then, maybe I choose a woman who will be a suitable life partner and who will bear my children and then I can teach them to build themselves first and settle for nothing but the absolute best. Never make excuses and take no excuses from anyone. Once I retire with the woman I've chosen, then my children and yours don't have to take care of us, financially. We're not a burden on society, we're not a burden on them and, when I'm gone, I will have something to pass on to all of them to ensure that they're taken care of.

I don't know which of those you would choose and, frankly, I'm not asking. I know which way I've chosen to go and it's been decided and no ridicule, no downvotes, nothing anyone else says will change that and there's nothing anyone can do about it.

The title of your post is completely bullshit. The entire missive you post after clicking on this title shows it. You've made up your mind. You don't want it changed and you won't hear actual evidence to the contrary. What you expect is for the man who's been run through the grinder to pull his pulpy mass back together haphazardly and jump back in, leading to more of the same. If he doesn't he's a disgrace to you. How, realistically, do you think that pans out? Your oversimplification reflects that you want nothing more than to micromanage the lives of others and, I don't know if you've noticed but I'll go ahead and point it out. Many Americans have been putting up with that. We're all fucking tired of it. That's why Trump's in office right now. That's why House Democrats aren't long for office. If we're tired of that type of insufferable know-it-all attitude from politicians, we won't take it from some random person on a website who thinks he has the world on a string and has it all figured out.

Two divorces showed me that, at my young age, I didn't have it figured out. Not by a damn sight. My advice, correct that shit before you end up learning you don't the hard way. Spare yourself that pain.

So if me choosing to rebuild myself and my situation into something far better before even considering female companionship and children is being a disgrace to my race well I have news for you. I've been called worse by better.

That's all I got. Unplug for awhile. Go for hikes. Learn a skill for fun and profit and get out there and own it.

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[–] High_Sierra_Trail 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

You must be lonely, what with being such a significant dipshit.

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[–] capnflummox 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

4.6 year account that doesn't post much suddenly has an opinion...

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[–] toobaditworks 1 point 1 point (+2|-1) ago 

If you're new here and MGTOW please visit: https://voat.co/v/TraditionalWives

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[–] SJWs_R_FAAAGS 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Lol, but that will go against their narrative

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[–] facepaint 2 points 1 point (+3|-2) ago 

I was thinking recently that feminism is MGTOW for women. Same difference.

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[–] New-World-Ebola 3 points 1 point (+4|-3) ago 

just look at the main fags on jewtube pushing it.... it's like a closeted recruitment drive for kike nigger cuck faggots

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