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[–] Gargilius 1 point 8 points (+9|-1) ago 

Not quite ; MGTOW men just want to do their own thing, control their own lives, and don’t try to impose their ideas on others, certainly not women; feminists however are all about controlling other people’s lives. That’s a bit of a difference.

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[–] PaulNeriAustralia 1 point 4 points (+5|-1) ago 

exactly. Feminists and females generally want to keep men as a slave.

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[–] DOVahKiiN7 2 points -1 points (+1|-2) ago 

Many are going to oppose what you said because it's hard for them to stop thinking with their genitals.

There is one called Traditional Husbands if they truly want to start a good civilization.

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[–] varialus 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

It's supposed to be like Feminism 1.0 but is portrayed by its opponents to be like Feminism 2.0.

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[–] WhatAgain 2 points 13 points (+15|-2) ago 

This may be an unpopular comment but here goes.....

The people in my life who have done the most damage to me personally have been the women I have let into my life. 100% of the worst times of my life have involved women. Relationships, sharing a house/apartment. Splitting up.

When was the last time you lost contact with a guy friend because you did not get along?

Same question for women.

Then next after that who cause the most shit in my life? Would be white (always male) bosses.

I have had not personal problems with blacks. I had a couple of run ins with pakis. I have never had a problem with gays. I has a couple of muslim friends, no problem there.

But white women? They have robbed me, lied to me, wasted my time, money, effort and energy. They have tried to stab me. They have tried to gaslight me on multiple occasions.

The last woman I lived with threatened to kill her self if I left her. It took a long time to get her out of my life.

And now OP is telling me that I cannot/should not avoid the race/gender that has fucked me over the most? LOL!

I have been single for around three years now.

I have just had the best couple of years of my adult life. I go where I want when I want. I have never had more money and freedom than I have now. I am having a fucking blast! Yes I still date. but the utter fucking creeps that I meet are fucked in the head and have been corrupted by modern feminism.

If a female uses the word "patriarchy" around me, I am out the door. Fast!

So MGTOW is feminism for men? Or freedom from a total bullshit life?

I would guess OP is married to some bitch he don't like, so he is taking out on the fuckers that escaped that squalid type of life tied to some bitch that just sees you as a way of paying the bills.

When I meet some new woman, I ask me self one question and one question only. What is she bringing to the table?

And 99.9% of the time there is only one answer. Vagina.

Most women have little or no actual personality besides the fact that they have a vagina!

An honest question. When was the last time a woman made you laugh?

When as the last time you had an actual honest to god, good time with a woman? Went for a beer? Hung out? Shot the shit without her getting "upset"?

How many women are single that have their own life? Are not mad feminists? Own their own home and do not have a couple of kids with some guy who is stuck with the bills.

MGTOW?

Call is hat you want but if it means me being free from shitty people in my life, I will take MGTOW over being stuck with a modern woman in my life.

Good job, you fucking played yourself and you are a disgrace to your race.

OK OP. You go ahead and enjoy your life like you seem to be doing.

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[–] BordelonLoop 6 points 5 points (+11|-6) ago 

take some damn responsibility. the person who has done the most damage to you personally is you. no one else. your choices. you. not a woman. or that cop that gave you a speeding ticket. or the mailman for bringing you your bills. you.

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[–] capnflummox 3 points 1 point (+4|-3) ago 

have been the women I have let into my life

He took the responsibility already, moron.

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[–] Levantine_Leveler 1 point -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

You let women fuck you over.

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[–] BoomerHater1488er 2 points 3 points (+5|-2) ago 

When was the last time you lost contact with a guy friend because you did not get along?

I have never, ever had a girl friend. Why have you? Hoping to wait for her to notice how wonderful you are and fall in love lol?

Then next after that who cause the most shit in my life? Would be white (always male) bosses.

Lmfao I'm two lines into your stupid post and I've already got you pegged as a faggot who can't understand why women aren't throwing themselves at you and why your boss hasn't made you Employee of the Eon and tripled your salary.

I have had not personal problems with blacks. I had a couple of run ins with pakis. I have never had a problem with gays. I has a couple of muslim friends, no problem there.

Now I'm confident that you're some breed of shitskin.

But white women? They have robbed me, lied to me, wasted my time, money, effort and energy. They have tried to stab me. They have tried to gaslight me on multiple occasions.

By calling them "white women" and not just women, you've confirmed you're a shitskin. Here's the problem. The only "white women" that are available to shitskins are the absolutely most broken and damaged, bottom-of-the-barrel people we have. If you're thinking a "white woman" is your ticket to a happy life, just be aware that those types of women would never, ever even consider dating a shitskin no matter how leftist and equality oriented they are.

The last woman I lived with threatened to kill her self if I left her. It took a long time to get her out of my life.

Really, it's your own fault for getting involved in that kind of thing. What, are you living paycheck to paycheck? Do you not have a savings account to help you out in case you have to uproot your life and move? Why should you care if an ex kills herself?

So MGTOW is feminism for men?

Yes. If you're religious, I can't think of a religion that doesn't tell you to go out and have a family, and if you're not religious then surely you're aware that the only purpose of life is to create more life and to give that offspring every advantage you can for their task of creating more life. No matter how you look at it, the purpose of life is to have a family and kids. And you're taking your balls and going home because sniffle it's too hard.

When I meet some new woman, I ask me self one question and one question only. What is she bringing to the table?

I think it's fair to say that, as a low quality man, you're only meeting low quality women. That doesn't mean they don't exist, it just means they're out of your league.

Most women have little or no actual personality besides the fact that they have a vagina!

You're deluded. It sounds more like you have no thoughts other than muh dik.

An honest question. When was the last time a woman made you laugh?

Every day.

When as the last time you had an actual honest to god, good time with a woman? Went for a beer? Hung out? Shot the shit without her getting "upset"?

Just about every day.

I will take MGTOW over being stuck with a modern woman in my life.

You are going to wake up one day when it's too late and you're going to regret this path you're on so hard you just might kill yourself over it.

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[–] El_Syd 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

I regret that I have but one upvoat to give.

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[–] MDEneverdies1488 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

why should you care if an ex kills herself?

Because he must admit that these women bring more to the table than just pussy. He knows he's lying to himself and in his long winded comment, he wasn't trying to convince everyone else that he's correct, but rather convince himself

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[–] midnightblue1335 ago 

The people in my life who have done the most damage to me personally have been the women I have let into my life.

How do people do "damage" to other people? It requires the damaged person to lower their guard and allow the other person to have control over your feelings.

Sounds to me like you have a problem with making yourself really vulnerable to the women in your life.

You also may be exaggerating; emotionally, it always is going to hurt more when a woman you love/want to fuck walks away from you more than if your buddy walks away. You can't stick your dick inside of your buddy and perform a miracle by making a new life with him. Women do that. Your brain and your body know this, even if you don't consciously realize it- so when rebuffed by a female, it's always going to hurt.... and it will validate any existing insecurities you have about yourself.

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[–] Neon_daemon ago 

mgtow was a half baked idea to combat pc culture before people could make sense of the nonsense and put words to things. dont attack them bring them under the wing. the quicker we vanquish our enemies the fasterwe shed all these bullshit things we do to combat pc culture

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[–] goatboy ago 

We’re very selective and only want the toughest, smartest, bravest, most adaptable, and Bad ass of society. Voat has a proven system for separating the chaff.

By all means, attack them. If they really believe what they claim and are more than perpetual worthless victims, then they will defend themselves and their ideas against every serious, silly, trolling, absurd argument , or shitpost goats throw at them- and come out stronger because of the argument.

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[–] PaulNeriAustralia 2 points 0 points (+2|-2) ago 

MGTOW's are men who have thrown off enslavement!

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[–] goatboy 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago  (edited ago)

...by removing themselves from the gene pool.

Nah dude. If they were really fighting the slavers, then they’d: consolidate into a unified political system, fund a superpac, found an exclusive men’s-only organization, form a irl community that only allows like minded men in and subsidized other MGTOW to join them, etc.

Instead, they squander their time and power in vain pleasure seeking.

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[–] BoomerHater1488er 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

In another 25 years, I can't wait to see the enormous spike in suicide when all these incels realize it's now too late for them to have a family and that it would have been better to have a crappy family than no family lmfao.

Ah, well. I wound up with two daughters and no sons. Every MGTOW is one less shit tier family I have to worry about one of my daughters marrying into...

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[–] PaulNeriAustralia ago 

Agree - the key to change is political power and that involves organisation and money and most of us, including me, prefer to sit at the computer ranting and raving.

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[–] Obrez 1 point 2 points (+3|-1) ago  (edited ago)

I never understood how right wingers could be mad at MRAs I get it "more white babies" I agree we need more whites but marrying yourself to a dumpster fire that will divorce you at the drop of a hat and ruin your children like we see all around us every day all day, is a terrible idea, there aren't enough good women to go around today so we need to scare the next generation of girls into abandoning feminism by refusing to associate with the women who fuel the coal fire that is burning our civilization. You could logically say that will leave us with a lost generation of men and women but I say we use the left's tactics against itself, they want to push degeneracy by lowering the age of consent and we want obedient women whose place is in the home, we should be pushing an age gap so that right-wing men establish themselves and marry the youngest girls they are legally able to, the goal being to mimic the control our ancestors had over their women by not giving them this time destroy their purity and become poison to their people, it's a successful strategy in Islam and other conquest cultures.

Not every mgtow is trying to achieve this but most could be led to this position, yes there are degenerate mgtow, who avoid all Western women like the plague and will settle for Asians who treat them well, the problem anyone on the right should have isn't with mgtow, mgtow is a symptom of a cancer in our society and that cancer is women's liberation.

Instead of flinging turds at the various men's movements you should be nurturing and guiding them because they were the road most of us traveled to get here and can guide many more.

I'll outline how the elements of what was once called the manosphere guided me and how in turn we should be nurturing them towards our shared end goals.

In high school I did one of the very first no fap challenges on 4chan, in small part to see if I could do it but in part because I wanted the rumored/speculated testosterone boost and primarily the top shelf orgasm at the other end, this challenge was promoted on image boards along side many guides for the extremely lustful interests of young men to master or at least learn the arts of seduction so I dedicated much time to studying and practicing pick up artistry, from a fatherless home myself I had no guidance about women most boys growing up today won't have a man to guide them in their relationships, they need guidance and PUAs mostly care about pussy, not society. From here I found a community birthed by the intersection of the mass of men abstaining masterbation finding newfound motivation to pursue carnal pursuits with desperate efficiency and discovering the state of women it has evolved into a social theory that continually proves itself and bases itself on mass collection of field data and self improvement, The Red Pill, "TRP" has brother movements that b came the "manosphere" around a decade ago: NoFap a half formed brother which was coopted by controlled opposition and killed from within in just a few years. MGTOW, these were men saying that they weren't interested in pursuing the common women of our time, not some vow to remain celibate or avoid marriage or shun all women but to set their own standards and keep them, some men in this group have impossible standards or just hide behind the label as a coping mechanism but most are just disregaurding females on some general terms, if a good woman made an effort to make a catch out of one she would be able to 9 out of 10 times. MRAs, men's rights advocates, these guys are doing a good thing and fighting the culture war against feminism, politically I'm not necessarily a fan of their notion of fixing the problem at hand, I see them as combat medics providing emergency care to a system that has been shit in the aorta and needs serious intervention they cannot provide but they have good optics and raise the big problems to people blinded by kikes. A huge spattering of cucks and kikes subverting these movements internally, whom we could identify and show the [wooden] door if more of us chose to interact with and guide these movements. The last is the newborns of the manosphere it's sort of the aborted child if the time when that buzzword was gaining steam, the Incel community. "Incels" [involuntary celibates] are complicated many are frustrated aging virgins but it genuinely appears that many are just men who have come to learn the true nature of women and hate them, and so I would say that the Incel community are maybe half virgins, maybe a bit more, only half of whom are really involuntary celibates the other half just won't fuck fatties, uggly chicks, negresses etc, they are picky, they want good women but they can read the matrix and so don't try until they find a great girl then have no chance because they have no experience with a remotely successful relationship. The other side of the Incel community are mgtow and trp guys who just hate the modern woman and enjoy the Incel community memes and banter.

The right should be guiding the no fap community as it once did before sectarian division between Protestants and Catholics were wedged open by kikes and sjws who wanted to kill it. TRP and PUA can't be lead by us but we should be making a pro social argument for behavior in these places and teaching the tricks to our men and boys, they have great advice even for men looking to marry virgins as a virgin, they are a good portal by which to mentor young men looking for masculine guidance. MGTOW men are at the very least busy worker bees looking to improve their lives and ripe for the redpill on Jews and many other things, we should be able to get along and ideologically pollinate them. We should be participating if only to drive kikes out, these communities already lean right across the board rejecting them would be foolish when we need allies and allowing kikes to flourish and defeat whom they perceive as a threat where we could easily fight them back would be a massive failure on our part. The Incel crown aren't great optics but they make good memes and are extraordinarily politically incorrect these aren't men we should discard these are the men we should be fighting for, to help them lift themselves up and pursue a future with more white children.

Lastly I say these groups and what I have described here are the folks who pursued gamergate caused the creation of 8chan, the kickoff for the right wing swing and ultimately the memetic warfare that powered Trump's 2016 election in fact all of the top mods on r/the_donald in the beginning were TRP mods and shit posters and they had it stolen from them because kikes fear an empowered white man who dominates his relationships with womenand can avoid/identify poison women.

TL;DR: MGTOW doesn't mean no to marriage or children or women, it means no to a bad deal, most mgtow are just improving themselves to try and get a better deal.

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[–] BordelonLoop 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

"we should be pushing an age gap so that right-wing men establish themselves and marry the youngest girls they are legally able to, the goal being to mimic the control our ancestors had over their women by not giving them this time destroy their purity and become poison to their people, it's a successful strategy in Islam and other conquest cultures."

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[–] edgydude69 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

I mean, thatd make sense if most mgtow weren’t already dad’s.

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