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[–] Jivicus 1 point -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

It’s meninism.

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[–] tinfoil_hats 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

maybe for the younger MGTOW's. I have some sympathy for older guys who got screwed over by divorce and the (((courts))), but the younger ones who don't even try and opt to end their genetic line seem pretty similar to the crazy cat lady feminists. except feminists actually managed to change society (for the worse, for the most part), but MGTOW's just "go their own way" and haven't managed to bring about any productive changes (that I've seen so far), so in a way they're even more useless pussies than feminists.

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[–] slowcrash101 ago  (edited ago)

The thing is, when you as a man, become strong and independent women start becoming attracted to you. It is simple biology, women go along to get along. Men like to fight and conquer, to compete, to figure out things to master nature. Women see a man doing just that and they fucking swoon.

Nothing moistens a women's panties like a man who can get shit done and doesn't take shit from anyone.

Narcissists and sociopaths do very well with women because they have confidence and self assurance or at least project that facade well. That is attractive to women in the short term.

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[–] CowboyXero 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Me at present:

-Working (One Day Job, One Side Hustle)

-Learning (One to two hours per day through Cybrary, Udemy and Khan Academy, respectively for a possible side hustle to turn into a profiting business later)

-Rebuilding Finances (paying off debt while making small investments as I'm able to in precious metals)

-Exercising (Five to six days per week, two hours per day minimum)

-Happy (Exercise isn't just changing me physically but mentally as well. Depression has been sent packing)

-No Drugs (unless you're counting caffiene and nicotine which the latter, I can do days without)

-No Wife, No Girlfriend, No Children

Went my own way after my second divorce. My quality of life improved. During my second marriage I thought, "How the hell can it get any worse than this?" Then the post-Divorce happened and it did. Blue State. I got through all of that. In my own opinion, my life is pretty sick awesome. More so now than during the last couple years of marriage and much better than the few years post-Divorce.

Right now, for me, everything's ducky. Now, let's go into your post.

Right now, you can see that I am an independent person. Getting stronger physically every day. Let's say that I decide right this second to go find someone to fall in love with, maybe marry but definitely have children with. There's no quality of life there for any of us. Financially, I'm not able to support a marriage and a child even if conditions were ideal which we all know they never are all the time. So what benefit would me having a large family be if I have no means to support it? I've seen some bitch, piss and moan that their children will be paying for my retirement so the opposite of that if I were to do it right now would be their entire family paying for mine. Not something you want, not something I want.

Take into consideration the area I'm in at present. Let's say, conservatively, there's an estimate of about 90% of women that have addictions (face it, that's what they are) to drugs like Xanax, Prozac, Adderall, Ritalin and Concerta. In my day job, I see the amount of women that "need" that shit to get along. One script for that is bad enough but for some it's a combo of the two or three. I've been up against that in my last marriage. You can't "sculpt" that and the doctors? They don't want to work with you at all. You're interrupting their customer base. In fact, they want YOU on that stuff too and they think something is wrong with YOU if you refuse. Of that 90%, they're on these drugs, attending Marxist indoctrination centers and they have a drug-reinforced, mentally-ill belief system that is boosted by media like CNN which is popularly consumed. They #BelieveAllWomen and #MeToo and just go for the official story hook, line and sucker. That's a minefield. Search for the 10% and maybe you succeed...big maybe. Better chance that you're going to hit a mine and anyone can be a minesweeper...once.

Now let's say that I go my own way for the time being. I spend time building my situation, my wealth, my mind and my body into the best they've ever been and I choose to protect that. Then, I'm in a far better situation. Then I can move to an area where the mix isn't such a minefield. Then, maybe I choose a woman who will be a suitable life partner and who will bear my children and then I can teach them to build themselves first and settle for nothing but the absolute best. Never make excuses and take no excuses from anyone. Once I retire with the woman I've chosen, then my children and yours don't have to take care of us, financially. We're not a burden on society, we're not a burden on them and, when I'm gone, I will have something to pass on to all of them to ensure that they're taken care of.

I don't know which of those you would choose and, frankly, I'm not asking. I know which way I've chosen to go and it's been decided and no ridicule, no downvotes, nothing anyone else says will change that and there's nothing anyone can do about it.

The title of your post is completely bullshit. The entire missive you post after clicking on this title shows it. You've made up your mind. You don't want it changed and you won't hear actual evidence to the contrary. What you expect is for the man who's been run through the grinder to pull his pulpy mass back together haphazardly and jump back in, leading to more of the same. If he doesn't he's a disgrace to you. How, realistically, do you think that pans out? Your oversimplification reflects that you want nothing more than to micromanage the lives of others and, I don't know if you've noticed but I'll go ahead and point it out. Many Americans have been putting up with that. We're all fucking tired of it. That's why Trump's in office right now. That's why House Democrats aren't long for office. If we're tired of that type of insufferable know-it-all attitude from politicians, we won't take it from some random person on a website who thinks he has the world on a string and has it all figured out.

Two divorces showed me that, at my young age, I didn't have it figured out. Not by a damn sight. My advice, correct that shit before you end up learning you don't the hard way. Spare yourself that pain.

So if me choosing to rebuild myself and my situation into something far better before even considering female companionship and children is being a disgrace to my race well I have news for you. I've been called worse by better.

That's all I got. Unplug for awhile. Go for hikes. Learn a skill for fun and profit and get out there and own it.

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[–] Creggieb 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

Feminists want someone else to support them, and sit with the other fathers table at Thanksgiving, while validating their strong womanhood.

mgtow seem to be refusing to participate in that nonsense, choosing to opt of dating completely, rather than filtering available women.

Feminism seems more angry and demanding, whereas mgtow seems more of a "fuck this, I quit"

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[–] Smust77 1 point -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

I wouldn’t call these bitches men ...

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[–] Naton369 1 point -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

Can't argue such sound reasoning.

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[–] satisfyinghump ago 

I have no problem if a man genuinely had had enough of women and decides to focus on himself for awhile.

But the issue with these types of "movements" is how radicalized they become, to the point where the guys begin behaving and looking like something no women would want to be with, and they begin enforcing within their "group", this no-girl life style, to the excess where a guy could meet a girl who is perfect for him and he gets reminded and riled up by some mgtow group member and scares her away. Ensuring all of them remain single and going their own way... but together.

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