[–] 21894956? 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Fair response.
I believe a right winger, at least a red-pilled one, will not recognize those families as part of a real patriarchy but as imposters that are not legitimate rulers.
I think that there would, barring obvious extreme examples, be a matter of intellectual honesty. Anyone who's honest and learned enough (left, center, right, whatever) would be able to agree with the italicized sentiment.
I honestly for a brief moment completely sidelined the original definition, wasn't on my mind at all for the purpose of this conversation.
If I may paraphrase you for a moment (not trying to twist the quote):
There's the left's
(re)'definition' of patriarchy, aboogie man of sorts
The right has its own "boogie man" terms too, hell even I do and I'm neither. It's just something humans do. Again though, there's probably a lot of crossover as to the specifics when we break it all down and leave the fluff aside.
(Not trying to be argumentative by the way, just enjoying the exchange)
[–] 21895584? ago
Fair enough, your questioning brought this forward into my mind as well.
I believe there are definitely polarizing forces at work, whether by conscious entities like Soros, Roths, Black Pope, Trump, Satan, etc. or 'unconscious' entities like r/K selected genes that express the power of their memes through the political divide.
[As a background, I come from the 'left' and did hold 'centrist' viewpoints in the past.]
As much as I understand 'the left', when looking from their own perspective and through their own ideologically-tinted glasses, I still believe that 'the right' is justified in this ideological battle.
I respect everyone's right to be on the 'left' or 'center' but I don't find those positions to be justified.
[–] 21895991? ago
This is the important part because it explains the extremes – boogie man terms included.
I can 'understand' both sides to an extent, but for reasons, I can't fully support any unwavering or extreme leaning toward either.
(Following edited for clarification/relevance)
For the record, when I claim a position of center, it's not that there isn't areas of agreement and compromise available, it's just that I will always try to avoid being influenced by the very obvious left/right partisanship. I prefer discussing all this stuff with those who can at least suspend left/right affiliation to look at everything – this requires suspending propaganda/bias against and for 'your side'.
Asking me to justify my position will almost definitely lead to an argument, no matter whether a leftist or right-winger is the one to ask me lol.
Here's something I can say though: