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[–] 21894186? 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago  (edited ago)

we agree

Not necessarily. The underlying point I was alluding to acts as the TL;DR. (Excuse the long sentence (shitty grammar) ahead)

If OP, let's change it up slightly and go down the hypothetical route, a hypothetical right-winger who called the families/entity in question, "patriarchy", and our hypothetical leftist were to be specific in naming who they consider "patriarchy", chances are good that they'd both have so much overlap that all left/right lines would blur and they'd both finally realize that the same broader entity (by any name) is trying to pit them against one another.

At most you could split hairs and say the term "patriarchy" is popularly a leftist soundbite.

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[–] 21894769? 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Not necessarily.

No problem.

There's the left's (re)'definition' of patriarchy, a boogie man of sorts, defined by wealth and power, for which the aforementioned families fit the bill.

Then there's the original definition of patriarchy as a system of society or government by fathers or elder males of the community, for which none of these families are a representative.

I believe a right winger, at least a red-pilled one, will not recognize those families as part of a real patriarchy but as imposters that are not legitimate rulers.

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[–] 21894956? 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

Fair response.

I believe a right winger, at least a red-pilled one, will not recognize those families as part of a real patriarchy but as imposters that are not legitimate rulers.

I think that there would, barring obvious extreme examples, be a matter of intellectual honesty. Anyone who's honest and learned enough (left, center, right, whatever) would be able to agree with the italicized sentiment.

I honestly for a brief moment completely sidelined the original definition, wasn't on my mind at all for the purpose of this conversation.

If I may paraphrase you for a moment (not trying to twist the quote):

There's the left's (re)'definition' of patriarchy, a boogie man of sorts

The right has its own "boogie man" terms too, hell even I do and I'm neither. It's just something humans do. Again though, there's probably a lot of crossover as to the specifics when we break it all down and leave the fluff aside.

(Not trying to be argumentative by the way, just enjoying the exchange)