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[–] Tallest_Skil 6 points 9 points (+15|-6) ago 

No shit, which is why we need a concrete wall and the military atop it.

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[–] itsALWAYStheBANKERS 0 points 10 points (+10|-0) ago 

Shoot to kill orders. Set up our perimeter 10m inside the border. Soon as you cross you get shot and we leave your corpse for the vultures.

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[–] urp 1 point 2 points (+3|-1) ago  (edited ago)

AHEM. NO US border fence ever positioned in HISTORY, except a river bank , has EVER EVER EVER been les than 100 feet from true border.

The fence is ALREADY well within USA and always has been for decades.

What it needs is a double fence, and of course extreme policing and real punishments.

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[–] goatsandbros 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

Take them out of the Middle East and Europe, put them just outside our southern border.

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[–] sivsta ago 

Dems will just remove the troops once in office.

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[–] Tallest_Skil 2 points -2 points (+0|-2) ago 

The implication being that they would never get into office again, as the nonwhites would have been deported at gunpoint. Operation Wetback II: Electric Beanerloo.

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[–] Charilko 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

One word: landmines

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[–] ranch-othelioma 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

...which we paid for.

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[–] clamhurt_legbeard 0 points 46 points (+46|-0) ago 

Did you read the article? They cut through unfinished sections of wall.

When complete and hooked up to all the sensors, Border Patrol knows the instant they start cutting and is ready before they even get through.

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[–] hang_em_high 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

What kind of sensors detect that? Movement ones near the wall or ones that actually tell if the wall is being tampered with? I need that shit for my house.

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[–] clamhurt_legbeard 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

It's metal. Any vibration will travel extremely well.

Hell, you could put your ear to the metal and hear from a mile away. A sawzall is loud, that metal will transmit the vibrations for a long distance.

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[–] NACHTJAGD 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

Not going to give you specifics, but there's a cable at the base of the concrete foundation attached to the metal and the metal rod within the concrete within the concrete filled beam going all the way up.

It detects vibrations below [digging] a certain double figure feet depth and will detect heavy machinery driving on the border road or actual attempts at trying to tamper with the barrier such as vehicles trying to push against the barrier or try to cut or drill through the steel or concrete with power tools. New sections require time to be connected to the command centers. New section of walls are often hollow and they get the concrete filler within the beam poured in later.

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[–] Poohwhisperer 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

I used to install strain gauges on valve stems that could detect a twist from my hands..

Smaller than a postage stamp size device..

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[–] SkrutinizeYou ago 

This is correct.

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[–] urp 1 point 20 points (+21|-1) ago 

Lots of 100 dollar battery powered grinders can cut through in tests for nearly a year :

https://www.aol.com/article/news/2019/01/10/in-test-steel-prototype-for-border-wall-was-cut-through-with-saw/23639378/

It should be two fences, always, and a shoot to kill between the two.

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[–] XSS1337 0 points 17 points (+17|-0) ago 

So a DMZ .... I say 3 miles into Mexico leading up to the USA is a shoot to kill. Use drones to kill them.

If Mexico bitches we bomb them back into the stone age.

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[–] clamhurt_legbeard 0 points 5 points (+5|-0) ago 

Yes, and? That eats up time, and Border Patrol knows the instant you start cutting because if the sensors installed. They're waiting for you by the time you get through.

Here's video of the double wall at Otay Mesa.

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[–] Like_it_is 0 points 8 points (+8|-0) ago 

Nothing that 220 volts can't cure.

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[–] whatisbestinlife 0 points 7 points (+7|-0) ago 

pay me to operate a drone from my office

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[–] heygeorge 1 point 3 points (+4|-1) ago 

Some of the damage

Not all. Some. They also have used (surprise) ladders.

I’m interested in the sensors they intend to use. Allegedly they will sense the vibration and allow CBP to react. I’ve dealt with industrial control quite a bit. To put it mildly, if it’s wired, there is little way the sensor system will not be very simply disabled with cheap, readily available parts. The talk of sensors and response, in my opinion, is essentially a whisper campaign intended to act as a deterrent. It will keep some people from trying, but will not be effective against the cartels.

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[–] clamhurt_legbeard 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

You could rig up a vibration sensor inside the wall and it'd detect vibration for a long way in either direction. All you need is that moment of detection and the Border Patrol Predator drones can already be directed to the location. Any disabling of the detector after the fact is useless.

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[–] HeavyBrain 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago 

And thats why we need turets in sight of each other.

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[–] DerAngriff 1 point -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

This whole wall thing is so infuriating. Two walls with patrols in the middle and seismic probes. Anyone caught gets pushed out of the doors inside the outer wall. Let them try again.

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[–] hang_em_high 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

i stilll think they should make a half mile DMZ ahead of the wall.. Shoot anything that enters it on sight.

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[–] showbobandvagene 0 points 15 points (+15|-0) ago 

We need to run live 400'000 volts through it, Actually, we could help save some cash and use it as part of the national power grid.

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[–] TheEqualizer 1 point -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

lol

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[–] BiochemistryStudent 0 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago 

I'm still a fan of landmines. I'm sure we have enough in inventory!

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[–] PunishedPatriot 1 point 1 point (+2|-1) ago  (edited ago)

landmines are bitch to clean up, if the US ever decides to steamroll mexico and take what's left of the border we'd have to spend resources on removing them.

just use drone swarms equipped with radar and FLIR

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[–] RevDrStrangelove 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Fill the vertical tubing with cement.

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[–] hang_em_high 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

When fitted with specialized blades, the saws can slice through one of the barrier’s steel-and-concrete bollards in a matter of minutes

How many minutes? Big difference between 2 minutes and 20 minutes. How many pieces do you have to cut to be able to walk fat mexican women through? Wall slows invaders so border officers can do their job, not stops them cold.

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[–] JJNova 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

This is the biggest part of the article. Saying "minutes" just means it takes over 120 seconds. As someone that works in the construction industry, it takes more than what common vernacular refers to as "minutes" to cut out portions of the wall. Especially if you are limited to 40v batteries, and even more so if you are limited to the 18-24v batteries that the article eludes to when stating "common household" reciprocating saw.

Admittedly I have not seen the border fence in person, but in photographs the "feet" going into the ground appear to be at least 4x4 in size. So although "minutes" is factual, it's not like someone is getting through it in 5 minutes on battery powered, 'household' tools.

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