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[–] bb22 ago 

What’s your problem with Jefferson?

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[–] carlip ago 

he pussied out on life liberty and property changing it instead to what we see today, "life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness", all because he couldn't consolidate slavery and humanity. he didn't want to be responsible for saying slaves were property. despite owning many slaves. fuck jefferson.

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[–] bb22 ago  (edited ago)

I think you misunderstand Jefferson’s position on slavery. Back then, slavery meant niggers. Where there was no slavery, there were generally no niggers. Just because you needed them to be a rich plantation owner didn’t mean you necessarily preferred their company. This is also why the Yankee North didn’t want slavery expanded into the western territories: they were arguably even more racist than southerners and didn’t want any niggers at all out West. If you read enough primary source material this theme will come out pretty clearly.

Virginia was the first state to ban slave importation. The popular support for that also came from a resentment of living around so many niggers. In South Carolina they were the majority of the total population. Can you imagine living in a place like that, even if they are enslaved?

Jefferson didn’t believe blacks and whites could live together in a common society and believed they’d ultimately have to be deported. He correctly foresaw that slavery would not last forever, and was philosophically incompatible with English common law regardless of the realities of race, and he was concerned about what would come afterward.

All of this was a very complex situation, and many of the things they worried about have since come to pass, including a civil war, miscegenation, and all sorts of other problems.

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[–] irradiated_toaster 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

No one cared about the taxes, it was the taxation without representation.

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[–] bb22 ago 

It was more complicated than that. The real impetus from the upper classes of colonial society was a bunch of predatory debt schemes. This is why Washington and Jefferson were both in debt, like many of the southern planter class. The British were trying to control our currency’s value and generally treating us like servants, denying us of our rights under English common law. Frontiersmen felt betrayed because the British weren’t doing enough to stop Indian raids. Many people had many different complaints.

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[–] DanielR [S] 1 point 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

"He was self serving and manipulative. He lied and cheated to get his post in the military"

So does everyone who achieved anything in their life

I understand your frustration, but you must learn from his example, if we are to defeat our enemies we need to learn from others in history how to.