[–] armday2day ago
Most people here are fucking larps. There are hardly any real fascists, and the many of the "NatSocs" here just use voat to vent some steam.
[–] crazy_eyes 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
If your hypothetical person looking for discussion can not handle free speech that is their fucking problem
[–] ATSrefugee [S] ago
Well that’s one way of looking at it but since the discussion is basically the continuation of western civilisation shouldn’t we want the message to have as broad a reach as possible?
The only thing stopping people see the message is a ddoss attack.
Censorship won't help them see anything
[–] crazy_eyes 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Who is this we? discussion is the continuation of western civilization? If that is the case we need more racism. Because western civilization has been engineered to become the new dark ages.
[–] Sheeitpost 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago (edited ago)
Freedom of speech means having to tolerate speech you think is abhorrent. What's cool about voat is you can say almost anything a person wants. What's not cool is to see how at the expense of free speech, viewpoints everywhere now are in effect being pathologized and conflated to mean things they don't, and drawing conclusions that are inaccurate. Even if you disagree, it's good to debate with people you disagree with. Conflating everyone you disagree with into an easy to oppress category is disingenuous when you think about it, and that is the lefts new strategy going forwards as well as what a lot of people do on voat immediately blaming races for problems when the reality is much more nuanced.
For example, I think the problem in America is the country got subverted by the KGB promoting cultural marxism (Source: Yuri Bezmenov) and after they collapsed and became capitalist, the ivy league that was subverted continued to produce graduates who were influenced by that subversive rhetoric intersecting with the dominant theories there (post-modernism, 3rd wave feminism, relativism, progressivism, etc). There is no single group of people promoting these ideas, so it's uneducated, hateful or disingenuous to blame races individually.
However, the left are not living up to that cognitive standard because now they're trying to conflate everyone who disagrees with them as a potential threat to society, and trying to pathologize any disagreements whatsoever. That is because the overton window is shifted left now because they doubled-down on crazy when Trump won.
If someone were to say every progressive is a secretly a communist who should be thrown in prison, that would be the equivalency. And that would be wrong to say that because the majority of them have no idea what's going on.
So basically the country is unstable. But the economy is great. And they don't care. They think business people are sociopaths anyway.
But yeah, the racism gets tiring.
[–] ATSrefugee [S] 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
exactly!!!
There are whole sections of society who are deliberately isolated from the info that is on this site and I feel that by absorbing just a fraction of it it would get a ball rolling in their heads that would wake up a large percentage of them.
So I’m guessing you’ve been here awhile and regularly take part in discussions, what’s your take on the constant and pointless racism?
Is it an in group thing?
A bunch of morons venting?
An extreme showing of the free speech thing?
Or could my theory that it’s being perpetrated to keep people away hold some water?
[–] Sheeitpost 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
And wanted to add. This is ultimately what is wrong with everything in the world: https://files.catbox.moe/x7waxv.jpg
That's the problem. Everything else is just a symptom.
[–] Sheeitpost 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
I did an experiment posting a meme of a black guy saying the left were calling Trump Hitler and now that they want to confiscate guns they are behaving like Hitler. I posted it knowing the frame of a neonazi would not like it because they think he didn't confiscate them (but he only let true believers have them so he did). About 24% downvoted and it got to the front page. So I think around 24% of voat are actually ideologically white supremecists.
I think the constant racism is just because they think that is what is causing the problems in the world but it won't trend in the modern age because it's not true.
Absent free speech, it's possible to create confirmation bias and make people believe things (Twitter, Reddit and Facebook are great examples). With free speech, it's almost inevitable for people to reject leftism because the ideas don't hold up to scrutiny. What's fuckedup is since neither left or right are actually fully correct, the outliers can take on weird or scary belief systems as they work towards some kind of intellectual congruency. Education works in stages basically. Some levels look bad when all it needs is more education for that perspective to no longer be gloomy.
I'm only here because reddit said my account was hacked from r the donald and it was obvious they were singling out influential posters and trying to get them from reactivating their account if they signed up with throwaway email addessses which most people do. They also shadow banned certain topics and then 6 months or so after I left they put them in "quarantine" after some posters were making threats-- which is odd because you don't quarantine a city based upon the actions of a few people. That's how I think of platforms... digital cities. Voat is a very racist city, but it allows speech that would be shadow banned outright by other platforms.
Is racism being spouted to keep others away? I don't think so. People on voat are very honest about what they think and want from what I've seen.
[–] philmchawk 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
Sure and we all do in other places. This is a free speech place though so we are going to say kike. Not every place you exist needs to be a hug box.
[–] ATSrefugee [S] ago
Personally I couldn’t give 2 shits, I’m not offended and I don’t think most people who know what’s going on or why the slurs are justified would be either.
My point is that by that type of language being so prevalent we’re basically preaching to the choir.
Do you get what I’m saying?
[–] philmchawk 0 points 3 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago
The point is if you want to use mild language to convert normies you have: twitter, facebook, reddit, youtube, twitch, dlive, tumblr, etc etc. Why do you "need" voat too? We need a final redpill place and that is what this is. You use your mild language to mostly convert then send them here so they can get the final push. I don't know why you want another place to use censored language to convert normies.
[–] ATSrefugee [S] 1 point -1 points 0 points (+0|-1) ago
So voats an exclusive club and you like it that way?
The words are relevant to those outside this site and if you all took that into consideration it would most likely result in a fuck ton more people also wanting to be rid of “them” therefore making the chances of it becoming a reality significantly higher.
[–] Itty-bitty_Tity-trap 0 points 4 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago
We aren't trying to create a safe space for anyone fagot.
[–] ATSrefugee [S] 1 point 0 points 1 point (+1|-1) ago
When you alienate 3 quarters of the people you should be reaching out too seemingly on purpose I’d call that trying to create a safe space.
It reeks of elitism “if you can’t handle my over the top racism then you don’t belong”.
It’s a self defeating strategy in my opinion
[–] Itty-bitty_Tity-trap 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
This isn't a church retard, it's a public forum. We aren't trying to reach out to anyone.
It's only self defeating if you have alterior motives
[–] Lurky_McLurkmoar 0 points 4 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago
Thanks, reddit
the door is that way ----->
[–] ATSrefugee [S] 1 point 1 point 2 points (+2|-1) ago (edited ago)
From what I’ve heard the shit I wanna discuss and educate myself and others on wouldn’t fly on reddit either.
I thought this site was about free speech?
I give an opinion and point out some things you don’t like so you try and shove me out the door?
That attitude doesn’t strike me as being in the spirit of what Voats meant to be about.
I’m gonna upvote you though because you managed to post that without saying nigger, faggot or kike.
Much respect
[–] Itty-bitty_Tity-trap 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
Now you're just talking like a kike.
Your opinion is to introduce censorship, that goes against what this site is about
[–] crazy_eyes 0 points 4 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago
you are trying to get the people here to self censor, thats why you get shoved towards the door
[–] life_is_earnest ago
You are here to sharpen your teeth with the end goal of redpilling more effectively, relaxing whilst laughing at some fags, or aggregating some news.
This is essentially an echo chamber you nigerkikefaget, unless you have something interesting to point out, you should assume that your audience here is as redpilled as you.
Need some advice? Seems to work. Want to bitch like a woman? get shown the door. Can't handle getting shown the door? Learn to claim your place in the world, goats will bleat, but jews are real loser and they do more than bleat.
Seems like a good place to me, just see it for what it is and expect to be called faget if you act like one.