[–] udo 0 points 6 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago
This sadly is true in many carribean island governments (no rain barrels allowed), the water belongs "to the people", but even socialist democrat areas in detroit it is Clown World regarding rain. IF YOU DO NOT COLLECT water, you are taxed for "storm drain impact" for "water runoff", hundreds of thousands of dollars in arrears possibly! But clown world Detroit at the same time charging you for rain water theoretical runoff based on square footage.... ALSO will not let you legally collect the rain water in any possible way at all.
Even farms cannot build holding ponds across the USA.
You own your land, but you cannot own any minerals under it sometimes, or water on or over it, or airspace above it, you can of course pay taxes for your land so the niggers can have full bellies on their free GibsMeDat food cards.
https www.bridgemi.com/detroit-journalism-cooperative/detroit-billing-residents-rain-its-going-well-youd-think
https www.michiganradio.org/post/fee-or-tax-detroits-controversial-drainage-rate-faces-legal-challenge
http www.fox2detroit.com/news/local-news/backlash-grows-at-detroit-water-depts-drainage-fee
(fix the URLS yourself, voat is not letting me post URLs today)
[–] captainstrange 0 points 3 points 3 points (+3|-0) ago
You own your land, but you cannot own any minerals under it sometimes,
Water isn't always under it.
Like when it comes from the fucking sky for example.
This is about controlling food by proxy. Because who controls water, controls food, and by extension, the people.
[–] udo 1 point 2 points 3 points (+3|-1) ago
"mineral" meant all but water underground, but even water deep wells are regulated in some areas. I mean "mineral rights", like oil :
http://graphics.thomsonreuters.com/13/10/USA-FRACKING:RIGHTS.pdf
Cistern size laws in some countries, to limit "selling" or "speculating" , if you construct beyond three barrels or so. Bermuda is the most lenient and 14,000 gallons per bedroom allowed for a building. ( 1870 sq feet of water, or 12x12x12 feet max) Not allowed to have more than 14,000. Bermuda also makes you prove your water tanks are emptied and cleaned once every six years, leaving you with no water that day, until rains return, or rely on other nearby cistern, or order a "load" of water for a couple hundred dollars. It's a $1,000 dollar cost to clean.
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[–] captainstrange 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
This is the proper response.
Should have a massive protest movement that just help each other to dig protest ponds as a giant fuck you to the state.
[–] DestroyerOfSaturn 0 points 4 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago
Derram? Think that's the right name. Please make script that turns all these posts into auto-archive links. Thanks. Most likely the wrong place to bring this up. Anyways, couple should've stood their ground. Lavoy finicum style.
[–] Niggardly_Jew ago
@Derram only archives sites that he considers "bad" from what I understand. It would be nice if he archived everything but I don't know what his processing power / server / bot is capable of.
[–] captainstrange 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
the pettier the more it tends to piss people off.
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[–] cT9NlRLhxlyr 1 point -1 points 0 points (+0|-1) ago
This isn't a cistern, it's a 4 million gallon lake.
[–] captainstrange 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
You keep repeating this like a salty communist faggot that doesn't comprehend property rights.
The state doesn't own the rain bitch.
[–] Not_C 1 point 1 point 2 points (+2|-1) ago
The government has tax breaks to keep mom and pop businesses alive. Those same tax breaks are exploited by companies like Amazon so they can make $11.2 billion in profits and pay no taxes.
Then there's the other side of the coin. There are laws that prevent large corporations from monopolising the water supply. Those same laws prevent regular people from collecting a bucket of rainwater.
Either a mom and pop shop get a $10k per year tax break, and Amazon get a $10 billion per year tax break. Or no one gets a tax break.
Either you get a bucket of rain water and a large corporation gets a huge lake. Or no one gets water.
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[–] Broc_Lia 0 points 2 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago
or you can make it so that the laws work the way they're supposed to. proper government is possible.
No. Massively centralised governments cannot gather enough information to make those laws without becoming corrupt in the process.
things currently aren't working because every politician is either jewish or bribed by jews, not because of some inherent flaw in human heirarchy and governance.
Democracy and bribery are not separate phenomena. They are integrally linked.
[–] Broc_Lia 0 points 1 point 1 point (+1|-0) ago
Then there's the other side of the coin. There are laws that prevent large corporations from monopolising the water supply. Those same laws prevent regular people from collecting a bucket of rainwater.
It gets worse. By the nature of representative democracy those laws will most likely be written by current or former employees of said corporation.
[–] Bryanhance 0 points 6 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago (edited ago)
I dont get it just say no if they force their way on your property thats tresspassing which is the greater crime. Collectingnwater or trespassing hint one can get you shot
[–] Planetoftheclown 1 point 4 points 5 points (+5|-1) ago
You can't protect an on going crime with property rights. Water rights are a complex topic in the west.
It's fucked up, but they moved there. They should have investigated more. In a lot of places when you purchase the land you do not automatically own the mineral rights.
On the other hand, I don't know how a pond denies the state the water in the first place especially when being used for irrigation since it will return naturally to the watershed.
[–] vastrightwing 0 points 6 points 6 points (+6|-0) ago
Exactly. It's all about government asserting its rights over and above citizen's. Schools take parental rights away because they can. Courts force parents to make their children change their gender because they can. They force you to vaccinate your children because the pharmaceutical companies can require it. They tax your property because they can. And when they run out of money due to over spending they tax the rain water running off your property because they can.
[–] Raxotic 1 point 1 point 2 points (+2|-1) ago
This. It doesn't matter what the pond does. They don't have water rights, so they have no legal ground. Case closed.
[–] Raxotic 0 points 4 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago
They fly over our place (1000's of acres) and collect areal photos. If you change anything, they'll know.