[–] Master_Foo ago
and we have the right to refuse or are you being a slimey statist again?
Sure, you won't have any voting rights if you aren't a member, but yeah, you can refuse.
Doesn't exist.
Well, duh. I mean, not right now. But, automation is going to create a post-scarcity economy. That's the direction the arrow of capitalism moves.
1000 years (or sometime) in the future, you will be able to 3D print a sports car in your garage for $5.
vague. are they compulsory now or not?
Not compulsory, you don't get a vote if you don't contribute. But, if you don't understand a concept like this, then it's probably a good indication you aren't proto-Übermensch material.
in your commie dreams yes. In the real world, you pay for the roads you use
Well, no. Somethings benefit from economy of scale. It's much more efficient if many people are paying for all the roads in the city than it is for each person to pay only for the square meters they specifically use. Unless you want some nanny state tracking you with GPS everywhere you drive and forcibly taxing you for that.
because when you bought a house you bought the road access with it and you tell little cunt over there to go fuck himself.
Except you drive other places besides just in front of YOUR house, right? I mean, if YOU want a toll booth every 100 meters, OK, fine. But, the Übermensch are going to be able to solve the problem so that free movement is trivial.
yes so you're a fucking commie because you're stupid.
When did I ever say anything remotely communistic? Don't confuse a post-scarcity economy with communism. There will still be private property. There will still be markets. There will still be money. There just won't be an obsession with stuff. Who wants a sports car when EVERYONE can 3D print one in their garage for $5? You wouldn't. You'd just go down to the race track occasionally on the weekend and rent a sports car for the day.
property rights, contracts and human self interest
I haven't said anything that is opposed to any of these things. You are just stuck in the mind of a person who cares about trivial things. A population of Übermensch, who have been breed to be hyper-responsible, don't have the same irrational needs as you or I do. Why? Because a civilization of hyper-responsible people isn't the same thing as what you have now.
There is still capitalism. There is still property. But, the Übermensch don't put the same priority on it because if they need food, a robot puts dinner on the table and the cost is $0.01 Yeah, you own the steak, and you own the robot. But it's so cheap the value is irrelevant.
paired with an unnecessary but helpful modicum of benevolence is the most effective mechanism to weed out bad actors starting with your tyrannical ass.
My tyrannical ass? At no point in time have I said anything that requires any person's arm to be twisted.
Here's what's going to happen. Responsible people are going to get sick and fucking tired of irresponsible people. We'll go off and build our own prosperous "city on the hill" ethnostate of proto-Übermensch, and we simply won't invite you. That's the extent of it.
We will build it and you won't partake of it because you didn't contribute. Tyranny!
[–] ForTheUltimate ago (edited ago)
you will always have scarcity. The amount of production per time is limited. Even space or exclusive time is limited. you'd have to be an idiot...
sure my widget cna create a limo every 10 years for free, but there's only 1 limo for every 10 years dumass!
Which is still scarce because the cost is not 0 and if it requires any equipement or attention, then the cost is also not 0.
Are you creating these boards for all doctors or is it just your little partnership/agreement?
Yes, I'd prefer people pay comensurate to their usage of roads. Secondly, incorporating all roads and combining payments and servicing if it is more efficient does not involve paying for some road you don't use.
you don't know that. I don't see obsession with stuff. and if there is, are you going to violate the NAP for it? There will always be scarcity.
I want a dyson sphere. and the sun is very convenient for that. I want so much your pittyful post scarcity is nothing compared to my wants or any person of ambition. I also want, immense ressources for everything, cloning, backups, research. you must be a fool.
And since there's only one sun....
We'll see about that as you further clarify what I've asked for.
My needs are not irrational.
There will be expensive things. I will want them, almost anyone would want them. Why? because I need to be safe from your commie ass, so I need 10 versions on me on 10 different planets with their own autarky, and it's going to cost more than the entire psot scarcity my ass economy.
False. If there is value, it is not irrelevant. plus, there is always the cost of the space it occupies, and the cost of disposal.
I bet otherwise. I think if the rothschilds get their way, you'll support it throuhg local politics and everyone else will have to suffer the consequences of your political choices.
So you're telling me, you're never going to have a technocratic state, and you're just going to volutnarily join yourselves and properties into a private corporation that emulates your desired political organization?
[–] Master_Foo ago (edited ago)
Yeah, because it takes 10 years for a limo to go through the production line at the factory. The only difference between here and now is, your garage will be a factory which can configure itself to build nearly anything. Just order the material and robots deliver it to you next day.
And keep in mind here. We aren't talking about a planet of 7 billion mouth breathers. We are talking about a few million Übermensch. So, there's plenty of land to go around. Your garage isn't going to be a small thing that fits 2 cars. It's going to be massive. It will build whatever the fuck you want. Want a space ship? OK cool. The plans are in the database. Press a button and the robots start building it.
post-scarcity does not mean free. Everything is always going to have a cost. But, robots don't care about not getting paid. So when you have 1,000,000 of them digging a mine 24x7, cost goes down drastically. When energy is plentiful, it is cheap. When you have a whole solar system / universe of resources the price of commodities is next to nothing. It will still cost SOMETHING, but the cost will be irrelevant because it's NOT SCARCE or in other words, the economy will be "post-scarcity".
I never said the cost is $0. Nothing costs $0.
Look. 200 years ago, aluminum was so scarce it was worth MORE than gold. Napoleon ate off of aluminum plates instead of fancy silver, gold, or porcelain because it was so valuable.
But, technology progressed and now aluminum is so common it is ALMOST worthless. We have an aluminum post-scarcity economy. There's no reason why we can't apply that to many many other things.
And that's not to say EVERYTHING will be cheap. If you want a custom-designed-one-off-something-or-other that AI can't figure out, you'll still have to consult the engineer. You'll be paying for his respect, so, of course that will make something expensive, sure. But, MOST common things that most everyone needs will be already figured out and those things will be cheap.