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[–] 18526336? ago 

Might is right, faggot.

yawn. A direct inversion of natural order. Right is might…the Truth is the most powerful sure.. But not everything that holds power is truthful/right.

Might does not make right.

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[–] 18526340? ago 

might is right, thinks he's civilized. Behaves like weak lustful faggot using other people's work.

You're now a nigger. You will only date cute African immigrants. You will do everything she says or you will get gassed by my orders at her descetion. She lives in Edwards.

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[–] 18526342? ago 

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[–] 18482041? ago 

t. person who hasn't read siege

Siege is a practical strategy guide on insurgency and insurrection against the System.

It is meant to dispell the larp myths of drumming up a brownshirt 'mass movement' against Jewish oligarchs because that would be utterly impossible in the current postwar social paradigm especially in the western world.

Whites, even right wing whites, are entirely complacent in upholding the anti-white status quo

EVEN if they dislike it and even if they are racially conscious.

Siege is nothing more than a more hardcore take of Dr. Pierce's "Lemming" principle: That whites will never support White causes until they are deprived of their comfort and have nothing left to lose.

The version of clean cut idealistic National Socialism you speak of is the same ideology of Matthias Koehl who lead the NSWPP after Rockwell's death. Although it was ideologically consistent, it was stagnant and and lacked bite.

That's why SIEGE started. That's why the NSLF broke off and started practicing radical insurrectionary National Socialism. This was a split of 2 different schools of thought- The conservative Natsocs vs the militant radical Natsocs.

I understand where you're coming from, OP but the truth is you haven't read enough on the history of American National Socialism to understand WHY Siege came to exist, and it is because of the failure of Conservative Natsocs who weren't willing to get their hands dirty.

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[–] 18926178? ago 

and started practicing radical insurrectionary National Socialism

No they didn't, the only ones who did were Pierce's guys in The Order. Siegetards LARP while actual NatSocs understand the fine line between IRA style idealistic terrorism and Siegetarded Satan worshipping/trad trap fucking.

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[–] 18926182? ago 

Lol what retard?Tbh what is even bad about O9A satanism?Legit it's about becoming strong cold and shit well some of the tards cut or wip them selfs and not train instead but what ever.Yes their books are not of the liking but still they do not control Atomwaffen and siege tards are not atomwaffen nigger!

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[–] 18482045? ago 

SIEGE as a practical manual? Absolutely good.

SIEGE as the next Bible? No.

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[–] 18702350? ago 

>>13245721

This.

<siege is so larp and jewish, I'd rather just post pictures of Wehrmacht-soldiers on imageboards because that's definitely true national socialism

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[–] 18491717? ago 

Finally somebody who has actually read the material.

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[–] 18483084? ago 

Let me get this out of the way: satanism is completely retarded.

Siege has problems for a few reasons.

Firstly, American National Socialism just isn't going to happen. We could definitely get something very similar but outside of a fascist/posadist LARP fantasy, the brownshirts just aren't coming. I want what is best for my people and I'm a pragmatist. Reality doesn't have to conform to exactly what I want, it just needs to be a fertile ground for future generations.

Secondly, OP put it well:

>>13245629

A product of American nihilism which has absolutely nothing to do with genuine National Socialism

Siege is not a practical way of actually securing a future, it's just anger. I'm not going to pretend that accels are totally wrong from a practical or philosophical viewpoint (though I am a pacifist and /pol/ is a board of peace) but just turning inward and becoming some kind of cult isn't how to win. Regardless of times changing, eternal truths are always around. It's not about 2 choices, it's about constant strategic adjustment to attain a never-changing goal.

Being edgy isn't the way to go. Even if, oh no, violence breaks out, it should be done with a sense of righteousness. Straight backs and sober minds, not degenerate fascist Hot Topic.

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[–] 18702342? ago 

Siegetards don't do anything but larp on 8chan while christkike churches promote racemixing. Fucking autists.

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[–] 18711513? ago 

Siegetards

>>13297461

Siegefags

>>13297464

seej niggers

<posts picture of alt kike entitled 'siege'

the kikes fear the

SIEGE

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[–] 18711519? ago 

>>13297519

implying alt-kike and seej are any different

Daily reminder that there is no proof that larping seej niggers have done anything of worth.

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[–] 18491690? ago 

t. stupid fucking faggot who hasn't even read SIEGE

kys

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[–] 18518417? ago 

What video was that on?

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[–] 18491693? ago 

REED SEEJ

Paid shill confirmed.

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[–] 18483731? ago 

If I had to guess, I would say Mason's flirtation with LeVay's stuff had more to do with getting a new audience for his ideas, and partly just to further ideologically separate himself from "Right" wing ZOG-lings. Mason had already done the same thing by supporting Charles Manson, after all.

This isn't wrong, but perhaps there are other ways to go about it. I like to call them wedge issues. They are ideological positions taken simply to keep out ZOG-faggots. People who are under the ideological influence of the ZOG simply won't be able to help themselves from arguing certain things, and this is a sure-fire way to spot them to and to keep them at a distance. Abortion, religion, circumcision, Israel, Hezbollah, etc, etc, can all be turned into wedge issues to separate the wheat from the chaff. Charles Manson and Simon LeVay can also serve that purpose, but in my opinion, could also keep away people who are serious. We don't want to lose any wheat when we do this, and it is better to take issues that are fairly simple to ideologically understand (supporting Manson is easier to understand than supporting Satanism, which could keep out dumb types of Christians who could be useful soldiers, even though Christianity in general is ideological poison).

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[–] 18484446? ago 

The fact is that they advocate quality vs quantity, like muscle vs fat, and it's a good principle if applied with the necessary moderation, because you can't have just five super-extremist super-trained guys and change the world, they'll get fucked by the millions of ZOGlings

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[–] 18485562? ago 

The fact is that they advocate quality vs quantity

That is one of the ideological weaknesses of both Pierce and Mason; they generally ascribe differences with people to negative personal qualities like cowardice, stupidity, etc, when they should actually view it as evidence of ideological penetration by the Enemy.

When people are consistently wrong on a wide-range of issues dear to the ZOG, it isn't because they're stupid or cowardly. It is because they identify with the ZOG. They are working for it, usually without any pay. They're trying to ideologically disarm would be militants, to bring them back from the brink, to get them to love the ZOG again, to gradually change their ideological outlook to be one that is compatible with the "Right" wing of ZOG.

Not everyone is going to be Earl Turner. There are places for fat losers in the White Nation Liberation War. Not everyone has to be a soldier. You can be a legal, work a job, and give a portion of your income to people who are fighting (there has to be a method for this to work, I have some ideas myself). You can be a legal and do some minor, relatively safe, but still illegal work (housing people on the run from the ZOG, transporting materials to locations, buying materials that would be hard for soldiers to get their hands on due to their status as wanted criminals, etc). You can even produce propaganda material; literature, short stories, shit-posting on comment sections ,etc. In my view, Pierce is more correct than Mason here, but both of them more-or-less unwilling to see ideological differences as treachery and not stupidity and cowardice, which in my opinion, is a mistake.

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[–] 18912591? ago 

Wedge issues

Can you please get a better vocabulary?

Think of 3 words you could use instead of a simpleton word like wedge.

Like you can’t communicate ideas unless you make references to physical objects?

Just stick wedges in everything guys. Just divide the enemy. Split them up. Separate them.

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[–] 18710497? ago 

I just finished reading Siege a few days ago and have no idea where its blood curdling reputation comes from. It's far, far tamer than The Turner Diaries.

From my understanding of it Mason seems to be arguing that whites should drop out of society, start their own communities, ride out the collapse and then come back and start the NatSoc revolution. It seems close to Manson's Helter Skelter scenario, which is probably one of the reasons why he was attracted to Charlie. Manson wanted to find a cave known as the 'bottomless pit' in Death Valley where his followers would wait out the race war he planned to start.

This seems closest to survivalism, rather than Atomwaffen/NSLF style activities.

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[–] 18716158? ago 

>>13297407

I'm not arguing that violent revolution is not necessary or that we need a race war coming in our minecraft server. I'm saying that SIEGE is not National Socialism, is not a functional set of beliefs to create a society on, and it springs from a sentiment of nihilism which can only be explained with MURICA IS DED ITS NIGGERS FAULT.

National Socialism is about love, Siege is about hate, so Siege is not NS. Don't believe me? Read literally three pages of Kurt Eggers' writings.

inb4: need for change of beliefs

'ich kampfe' specifically instructs new NS to NEVER let the principles go. And since it was written by people who accomplished more than us, I think we can follow its advice.

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[–] 18724609? ago 

The whole point of Siege was to diagnose why National Socialism had failed in the US post-1945. Mason was simply arguing that electoral politics and Rockwell style grandstanding had had their day and were no longer relevant because the system would never let us win at their game. That's not nihilism or hatred, it's just an extremely obvious observation.

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[–] 18945717? ago 

I'll save that link. I thought it was self-evident tho, so I didn't bother posting links

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[–] 18702348? ago 

THE JEWS ARE THE GOOD GUYS!

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