someone here acknowledged there is going to have to be waves for anything to actually get done, old and middle aged men have never been the ones to start revolutions, though they are the ones who tend to step in and guide them and fight them once they are off the ground. don't be stupid, don't go around dividing us and calling people cowards and shit, in that regard we all are, as someone said bretton stepped up, god bless him, just don't go throwing down gauntlets if you don't want people talking shit.