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[–] 17870805? ago 

there's one big thing meat fags cannot ignore :

ANIMAL PRODUCTS HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO ANTI-OXIDANTS IN THEM. without anti-oxidants the inner walls of your arteries will keep getting insulted, damaged and blocked with cholesterol and calcium over time. anti-oxidants are like the clean up crew. a diet low on anti-oxidants is a fast way to fuck your body up and feel like complete shit and get sick all the time.

and lastly : TRIMETHLYAMINE N-OXIDE

A study published in 2013, assessing 513 adults with a history of major adverse cardiovascular events, an average age of 68, and 69% of whom previously or currently smoke, may indicate that high levels of TMAO in the blood are associated with an increased risk of additional cardiovascular events.[6] The concentration of TMAO in the blood increases after consuming foods containing carnitine[7] or lecithin[6] if the bacteria that convert those substances to TMAO are present in the gut.[8] High concentrations of carnitine are found in red meat, some energy drinks, and some dietary supplements; lecithin is found in soy, eggs,[8] as an ingredient in processed food and is sold as a dietary supplement. Some types of normal gut bacteria (e.g. species of Acinetobacter) in the human microbiome convert dietary carnitine to TMAO. TMAO alters cholesterol metabolism in the intestines, in the liver, and in artery walls. In the presence of TMAO, there is increased deposition of cholesterol in, and decreased removal of cholesterol from peripheral cells such as those in artery walls.[9]

The link between cardiovascular diseases and TMAO is disputed by other researchers[10] who are employees of Lonza, a company that sells carnitine.[11] Clouatre et al. argue that choline sources and dietary L-carnitine do not contribute to a significant elevation of blood TMAO, and the main TMAO source in the diet is fish.[12]

Another source of TMAO is dietary phosphatidylcholine, again by way of bacterial action in the gut. Phosphatidyl choline is present at high concentration in egg yolks and some meats.

It has been suggested that TMAO may be involved in the regulation of arterial blood pressure and etiology of hypertension[13] and thrombosis (blood clots) in atherosclerotic disease.[14] A 2017 meta-analysis found higher circulating TMAO was associated with 23% higher risk of cardiovascular events and a 55% higher risk of mortality.[15]

Inhibition

Vegan and vegetarian diets appear to select against gut flora that metabolize carnitine (in favor of other gut flora more coordinated with their food supply). This apparent difference in their microbiome is associated with substantially reduced gut bacteria capable of converting carnitine to trimethylamine, which is later metabolized in the liver to TMAO.[7]

3,3-Dimethyl-1-butanol (DMB), a structural analog of choline, inhibits microbial TMA formation in mice and in human feces, thereby reducing plasma TMAO levels after choline or carnitine supplementation.[5] It is found in some balsamic vinegars, red wines, and some cold-pressed extra virgin olive oils and grape seed oils.[5]

Resveratrol has been shown to reduce TMAO in mice by remodeling gut microbiota.[16]

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[–] 17870807? ago 

the only people disputing the ill effects of TMAO are the shills selling L-carnitine products.

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[–] 17870808? ago 

in other words, red meat, fish, eggs and dairy products are fucking trash for your body. stop putting that garbage into you. if you dont care about heart disease and not being able to get an erection in your late 40s then at least consider the fact meat and dairy based diets lead to higher cortisol and lower testosterone levels.

muh gains!!!

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[–] 17870814? ago 

in other words, red meat, fish, eggs and dairy products are fucking trash for your body.

Yeah, no. Humans evolved eating those foods. I don't see any one reporting on obesity, cancer and diabetes in Mongolia. Their diet is meat, fat and milk. Name a human civilisation that thrived on a purely plant based diet. You can't because no such thing exists.

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[–] 17870820? ago 

meat is bad goyim!!!

https://mega.nz/#!Su4myYRR!Rz7CPaEyd807xNiMA8v919NNksg40G_qOHuZR3KvShU

Why Europeans aren't vegans – Prof Alon Keinan.mp4

Downloaded off of kiketube ~1 hour before it was deleted from kiketube.

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[–] 17873373? ago 

In other words, eating the food of our food won't give us the nutrition we need and we will be malnourished and metally ill.

The solution: eat meat and dairy. And if you're the vegan woman I think you are, start drinking my cum. In a month's time, you'll look healthier.

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[–] 17893086? ago 

Meh,

DAIRY IS UNHEALTHY BECAUSE: it's pasteurized which destroys certain vitamins, denatures the proteins and destroys the enzyme lactase which the human body doesn't produce enough to effectively and quickly digest the lactose and casein which leads to half or undigested food entering the digestive tract which causes a chain reaction of issues, affecting the bacteria and the bacteria eating unproperly digested food is a problem that leads to disease (as all health starts in the gut), secondly if they make the diary product from processed milk then it is also homogenized which is a hydraulic press with over 300 tons of pressure to compress fat molecules, does milk go down to the earth's core and come back, no it's not natural at all, god knows what kind of side effects the damaged fat has, cand this even be regarded as fat / milk.

basically the chemical process milk goes through is so significant you're not eating milk at all, you're eating milk-look-alike products, avoid all dairy.

Only then you could test if RAW milk is OK, but, here's the spoiler, no animal drinks their after baby stage, so why should we, nature, or rather the matrix didn't intend it, so if it's something out of the ordinary you can be safely assuming it's NOT COMPATIBLE, precautionary rule, toxic until proven otherwise, why doesn't the CEP use that rule, which some agencies do use, on 5G and GMOs, assholes.

WHY IS MEAT THE BUHU TOGO CULPRIT - it's not meat, it's the CHARRING, ROASTING, OIL FRYING, PRESERVATING and ofcourse industrial PROCESSING, that's would be by far, the meat it self who knows since no studies ever guaranteed they tested actual grass feed no-antibiotic no-processing control case, all they tested is with all the crap meat so the tests are inconclusive, they may put more preservatives, different farm, medication, animal diet and you could end up thinking it's all pork fault, well, if the COWs had all the steroids and growth hormones in them then BEEF would be worse because they don't breed PORK FOR MILK so actually pork, but ANYTHING processed is off the list, this means all restaurants, you need to basically find local farmer who you can trust and buy directly, same with EGGS.

IT'S ALL ABOUT FOOD PREPARATION A LOT OF TIMES, MANY FOODS MAY BE TOTALLY OK IF PREPARED CORRECTLY.

BAREBECUE is super unhealthy because the NATURAL fat that is charred, or falls down into the fire is burned upward 300 degrees celsius which completely changes it's chemical structure, produces AGEs, PAHs and other cancerous and toxic compounds, and what else you see when meat fat drips down on fire, smoke, which means if you happily breathe in those juicy FUMES when you cook meat on grill you're intoxicating yourself. SO YOU DON'T EVEN NEED ANY PROCESSING - PRESERVATIVES - MEDICATION - IF YOU COOK WRONG YOU ARE WASTING ALL THE EFFORT OF GETTING QUALITY FOOD - ALL THE LINKS IN THE CHAIN MUST BE CORRECT.

THE BIG ORGANIC CONFUSION

CHEMISTRY FIELD = "ORGANIC" ANYTHING THAT CONTAINS CARBON, WHICH WOULD INCLUDE GYLPHOSATE, THE GEOLOGICAL-CHEMICAL FIELDS REGARD CARBON AS THE BASIS OF LIFE AND LIFE FORMS SO THEY CALL THINGS "ORGANIC" - STUPID AS FUCK.

FOOD FIELD = ORGANIC AS NON-GMO, OR BIOLOGICAL AS NON-GMO, BUT BE CAREFUL THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE ACTUAL QUALITY, WHAT ABOUT THE NUTRITIONAL CONTENT, SOIL CONDITIONS, HEAVY METALS, THERE'S NO TESTS ON THOSE, BE AWARE OF FAKES, JUST BECAUSE SOMETHING IS ORGANIC

ORGANIC COOKIES = BAD IDEA - STILL FULL OF SUGAR AND WHITE FLOUR

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[–] 17872516? ago 

>>13087017

>>13087030

vegan copypasta

is 2019

No one is buying it, you’ll either die young or leave the vegan cult in due time, fuck off till then

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[–] 17876293? ago 

copy pasta?

You're a fucking idiot, I'm citing knowledge off the top of my head. Is calling my arguments "copypasta" all you have? You're too dumb to debate with.

>>13087155

Yeah we've evolved smoking cigarettes too for the last 100 or so years. Piss weak argument.

>>13087958

The nutritional profile of animal products is incomplete. There are loads of nutrients you can only get in plants. Once again, carnist on /pol/ are too thick to make the connection here. The nutrients you get in meat from the animal CAME FROM PLANTS. You want the nutrients of a plant packed in an animal wrapped in artery clogging, insulin resistance inducing saturated fat a long with the sodium and L-carnitine that gets converted into TRIMETHLYAMINE N-OXIDE

So far not one person in /sig/ has been able to prove me wrong. At best they cite something their "daddies told em" or broscience flung around on forums.

What good are you mongoloids if you can't even disect information and think critically. Oh right, "EATING PLANTS IS FOR SJWS!!!!111 REEEE!"

Look back and think about me when you're going to the doctor for your blood test results indicating you have high fasting blood sugar and your cant get an erection anymore because your arterial lining cant release nitric oxide.

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[–] 17876297? ago 

The nutrients you get in meat from the animal CAME FROM PLANTS

This is autism at it's finest. Plants get nutrients from the soil and sunlight. Should we try to evolve to digging a hole, hopping in and basking in sunlight?

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[–] 17878521? ago 

Yeah we've evolved smoking cigarettes too for the last 100 or so years. Piss weak argument.

How does a drug compare to food? How is this a valid comparison to anyone of a sound mind? If this is what a soy based diet does to your brain, I'll keep eating keto and keep frying my steak in lard.

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[–] 17872524? ago 

Low carb is relative. Less pasta, cereal, white rice, and bread is probably going to be a good dietary change for most people. Maybe "less carb" is a better label.

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[–] 17878519? ago 

if its not keto then its the atkins

Low caeb doesn’t mean low vegetables. I eat a ton of veg, all low carb high fibre:

Cabbage, cauliflower, broccoli, celeriac etc…

your blood sugar is meant to rise and fall, how fucking clueless are you? not only that, rising and falling blood sugar is not going to effect your moods lmao.

Tell that to a diabetic.

Having more energy because your not relying on glycogen as your main fuel source but fats instead so you don’t need to 'carb up' half way through your ride?

nice fucking bro-science.

Maybe try it? But nope.

there's no such thing as carb-bloat, you retard. stop making shit up.

M'kay, if that makes you feel better you bloated fag.

cutting out whole grains

well if you want to miss out on health benefits then sure. Lose out on all the fiber, protein (yes protein), iron, B-6 and magnesium.

But you can get all those without grains with no carb bloat and no other problems.

You can only get fiber with high carb foods usually…in other words, fruits & vegetables. please point to me these magical low carb high fiber foods.

See above.

keto euphoria

You should try it, its quite noticeable. But you wont because your a faggot.

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[–] 18078797? ago 

Africa more adapted to plant based than E.Asia

didn't expect that