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I have no problem with people stating they don't think a low-carb/ketogenic diet is healthy. By all means, we should be posting content to help each other improve, as this is /SIG/, but it's just devolving into shit flinging now, and I'm starting to think there's shills flooding these threads at this point. There's already been a big push from the (((media))) spouting bullshit like:
It'll give you nasty keto-crotch!
It gives you acne!
You'll get atrial fibrillation and your arteries will clog!
Now we've got all these posts treating keto/low-carb diets like they're the same as a pure carnivore diet, which is absolutely not the case. Most keto diets generally restrict daily net-carb (i.e. total carbs -fiber) intake to about 20-25g/day. Tons of people that advocate for the diet strongly recommend making most if not all of your carb intake from healthy sources of fiber, including leafy greens like kale and spinach, broccoli, asparagus, nuts, and small amounts of berries. You can also include fermented vegetables like kimchi, which provide probiotics. Many of these sources of fiber also provide anti-oxidants.
One of the benefits of moving to low-carb/keto is the reduction of inflammation in the body. As you progress you learn which fats are healthier than others. You stop consuming shit like corn oil, canola oil, soybean oil, margarine etc., and replace them with healthy fats like extra-virgin olive oil, unrefined coconut oil, grass-fed butter, avocado oil etc. You learn which are more prone to oxidation and at what temperatures. You start getting your Omega-3/6 ratio in balance which further reduces inflammation. No matter whatever health benefits people say you get from whole grains, they're massively outweighed by the negative effects they have on the body, primarily in the form of inflammation, especially of the gut.
B-but cutting out whole grains means you miss out on things like iron, B-6, and magnesium
You can get all of those without touching grains, and they'd be more bio-available too without causing as much inflammation
At the end of the day, diet is one of those things you have to tweak and test until you find what works for you. Personally a ketogeneic diet has worked great for me. It might not work as well for you. It's something you have to test for yourself. All I know is I've lost over 70lbs of fat. My meals satiate me more. I don't get the urge to snack throughout the day. After a year of eating high amounts of fat, my blood pressure is great, and my lipid profile is practically fucking perfect. My triglycerides are lower than before I started the diet. I know it's anecdotal, but it's what's worked best for me. Find what works for you and improve as you go.
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I'm planning to start keto in a month and am just doing some preliminary research. To all those who say that there are nutrients that can only be derived from plants, that's completely false. One of the things I wanted to check up on was if there is a healthy animal source for every nutrient. Here is a list of some of the ones that are commonly thought to be only derived from veggies, and a keto source(s) that contains them in decent amounts (animal sources are prioritized):
Vitamins and Minerals_
Vitamin K (liver, meat, cheese)
Folic Acid (liver, nuts and seeds)
Iodine (milk, seafood, supplements)
Manganese (mussels, nuts)
Molybdenum (dairy)
Selenium (meat, dairy, shellfish, brazil nuts)
Vitamin A (liver, seafood, dairy)
Vitamin B1 (pork, seafood)
Vitamin B6 (liver, meat, seafood)
Biotin (liver, egg, meat)
Vitamin D (milk, liver, eggs, sunlight)
Vitamin E (seafood, EVOO, nuts, seeds)
Vitamin C (saurkraut, possibly not necessary?)
There are a few interesting things to note:
liver is the master race of animal foods when it comes to nutrition (there are nutrients whose only animal source is liver)
Vitamin E might be harder to get from meat
Vitamin C has no meat source. Saurkraut is pretty solid. However I found this article that is written by a carnivore and it seems to argue pretty well that on an all-meat diet, you don't need dietary Vitamin C.
In 1975, Mann proposed that, because of their structural similarity, ascorbic acid and glucose might utilize the same membrane transport. This extremely important concept was eventually confirmed experimentally, and ultimately led to an understanding of how glucose and ascorbic acid compete for transport by insulin and entry into cells.
So the idea being that without a lot of glucose, much more vitamin C can be absorbed. Also,
Meat [also] prevents [scurvy] because it bypasses the need for vitamin C. Vitamin C is required to form collagen in the body… Vitamin C’s role in collagen formation is to transfer a hydroxyl group to the amino acids lysine and proline. Meat, however, already contains appreciable quantities of hydroxylysine and hydroxyproline, [thus] bypassing some of the requirement for vitamin C. In other words, your vitamin C requirement is dependent upon how much meat you do not eat.
It's worth noting that collagen is a principal component in bone broth/meat soup, which years of anecdotal and scientific evidence suggest is highly healthy, particularly when sick. Look up "natural remedies for a cold", and collagen frequently comes up.
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I'd only recommend it to people who lack the willpower to stick to a normal diet
Normal relative to what? What do you consider a "normal" diet?
It made me smell bad and have low energy
Low energy is likely due to either not enough fat intake, and/or missing electrolytes. If you're cutting out processed foods that are over-saturated with sodium, you'll actually have to start salting your food with some high quality salt. As for the smell, maybe you're just a smelly mutt? I've stopped using antiperspirant/store bought deodorant and now just use a homemade baking soda mixture and I can go about two-three days without stinking at all. Only time I start to get a funk is after a good workout and of course I'll just get a shower afterwards.
[–] 17872517? ago
I have no problem with people stating they don't think a low-carb/ketogenic diet is healthy. By all means, we should be posting content to help each other improve, as this is /SIG/, but it's just devolving into shit flinging now, and I'm starting to think there's shills flooding these threads at this point. There's already been a big push from the (((media))) spouting bullshit like:
Now we've got all these posts treating keto/low-carb diets like they're the same as a pure carnivore diet, which is absolutely not the case. Most keto diets generally restrict daily net-carb (i.e. total carbs -fiber) intake to about 20-25g/day. Tons of people that advocate for the diet strongly recommend making most if not all of your carb intake from healthy sources of fiber, including leafy greens like kale and spinach, broccoli, asparagus, nuts, and small amounts of berries. You can also include fermented vegetables like kimchi, which provide probiotics. Many of these sources of fiber also provide anti-oxidants.
One of the benefits of moving to low-carb/keto is the reduction of inflammation in the body. As you progress you learn which fats are healthier than others. You stop consuming shit like corn oil, canola oil, soybean oil, margarine etc., and replace them with healthy fats like extra-virgin olive oil, unrefined coconut oil, grass-fed butter, avocado oil etc. You learn which are more prone to oxidation and at what temperatures. You start getting your Omega-3/6 ratio in balance which further reduces inflammation. No matter whatever health benefits people say you get from whole grains, they're massively outweighed by the negative effects they have on the body, primarily in the form of inflammation, especially of the gut.
You can get all of those without touching grains, and they'd be more bio-available too without causing as much inflammation
At the end of the day, diet is one of those things you have to tweak and test until you find what works for you. Personally a ketogeneic diet has worked great for me. It might not work as well for you. It's something you have to test for yourself. All I know is I've lost over 70lbs of fat. My meals satiate me more. I don't get the urge to snack throughout the day. After a year of eating high amounts of fat, my blood pressure is great, and my lipid profile is practically fucking perfect. My triglycerides are lower than before I started the diet. I know it's anecdotal, but it's what's worked best for me. Find what works for you and improve as you go.
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[–] 17884420? ago
I'm planning to start keto in a month and am just doing some preliminary research. To all those who say that there are nutrients that can only be derived from plants, that's completely false. One of the things I wanted to check up on was if there is a healthy animal source for every nutrient. Here is a list of some of the ones that are commonly thought to be only derived from veggies, and a keto source(s) that contains them in decent amounts (animal sources are prioritized):
Vitamins and Minerals_
Vitamin K (liver, meat, cheese)
Folic Acid (liver, nuts and seeds)
Iodine (milk, seafood, supplements)
Manganese (mussels, nuts)
Molybdenum (dairy)
Selenium (meat, dairy, shellfish, brazil nuts)
Vitamin A (liver, seafood, dairy)
Vitamin B1 (pork, seafood)
Vitamin B6 (liver, meat, seafood)
Biotin (liver, egg, meat)
Vitamin D (milk, liver, eggs, sunlight)
Vitamin E (seafood, EVOO, nuts, seeds)
Vitamin C (saurkraut, possibly not necessary?)
There are a few interesting things to note:
liver is the master race of animal foods when it comes to nutrition (there are nutrients whose only animal source is liver)
Vitamin E might be harder to get from meat
Vitamin C has no meat source. Saurkraut is pretty solid. However I found this article that is written by a carnivore and it seems to argue pretty well that on an all-meat diet, you don't need dietary Vitamin C.
https://zerocarbzen.com/vitamin-c/
Here is an excerpt:
So the idea being that without a lot of glucose, much more vitamin C can be absorbed. Also,
It's worth noting that collagen is a principal component in bone broth/meat soup, which years of anecdotal and scientific evidence suggest is highly healthy, particularly when sick. Look up "natural remedies for a cold", and collagen frequently comes up.
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Your diet plan looks great. Cheers and wishing you well on your /SIG/.
[–] 17872518? ago
I've done keto before, it made me lose weight real easy, but it also made me smell bad and have low energy
I'd only recommend it to people who lack the willpower to stick to a normal diet
[–] 17872521? ago
Normal relative to what? What do you consider a "normal" diet?
Low energy is likely due to either not enough fat intake, and/or missing electrolytes. If you're cutting out processed foods that are over-saturated with sodium, you'll actually have to start salting your food with some high quality salt. As for the smell, maybe you're just a smelly mutt? I've stopped using antiperspirant/store bought deodorant and now just use a homemade baking soda mixture and I can go about two-three days without stinking at all. Only time I start to get a funk is after a good workout and of course I'll just get a shower afterwards.
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This
[–] 17872520? ago
For niggers.
For whites: keto is THE normal diet.