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if he had won it would have not been a mistake?
If Hitler had made different decisions, I believe that he could have won, yes. Diplomatically or militarily. I don't believe that that is a controversial statement.
The USA behaved aggressively towards Germany
Yes but that does not have much to do with the invasion of Poland. I will say that declaring war on America was also a mistake.
And before you respond with "Oh but America blew up German ships so Hitler HAS to react to that and do what the jews wanted him to do!"
Contemplate the following;
Which is preferable?
Having America blow up a few ships every now and again
or
Having America blow up many more hundreds of your ships, flatten your cities, land 200,000 soldiers in Sicily and knock out our only major ally and then land another 200,000 in France?
Which harmed Germany less?
I'm not sure where we're going with this
Yes I am sad that Germany lost because while some things Hitler did were unjust and wrong, a lot more was necessary and good. Such as eliminating jewish power in the nations he conquered. My point is that invading Poland was a mistake because it set into motion a series of events that not only destroyed Germany, but led to the near total domination of our civilization by jews.
I am not accusing Hitler of being a jewish agent, I am pointing out the fact that the brother-war between Germans and Poles led to our current state. Brother-wars ALWAYS lead to suffering and oppression for Whites and power and domination for kikes.
Hitler needed to strike first to save Germany
I am paraphrasing what you said to make it more concise. But I believe this is what you're saying.
Okay, if war in 1939 was the only way to preserve Germany, why'd he lose?
Again, anything is possible including an alliance with Poland. But you know what will guarentee that you will not get an alliance with Poland? Demanding their land and threatening war if you don't get your way. Then breaking your own agreements with them and acting like you want to conquer Europe.
No one likes aggressors. If you behave like one, you will be treated like one. Hitler was a fan of Otto Von Bismark, so he would know that you can gain a lot by appearing like the victim of someone else's aggression. He allowed France to not only attack Germany, but to invade before crushing them. Poland was no threat to Germany. Frankly, neither was France. It would have been better if he played the long game and won rather than invading everyone and losing.
Czechoslovakia was an obvious spearhead that would be used against Germany
It would have been wonderful if the allies were so stupid as to build up forcess in a tiny, indefensible nation surrounded by Axis sympathizers. Then, unlike at Dunkirk, Hitler could have captured the entire British army.
The Sudetenland was a logical piece of land to grab
Yes, obviously. They were German then thus they should have belonged to Germany. And Britain and France allowed it without declaring war. As I pointed out, there were many sane British elites who didn't want another war over nothing. But Poland was too far.
It was a smart move
In the short term. In the long term, it demonstrated to the world that Hitler was not being honest and could not be trusted.
You know that.
They too with Ukraine seized some land from the corpse of that artificial "Czechoslovakia". In no way they could hold an annexation against Germany on moral grounds.
This is true and I often use this argument against people ranting about Hitler being evil for demanding Danzig. But teh problem with this argument is that it reduces Hitler from a righteous man seeking only to restore Germans to Germany to just another imperialistic dictator.
I mean, sure, it's not like the Poles were righteous defenders of national autonomy. You mentioned Ukraine. You could also mention that much of eastern Poland was Belarusian and they even stole some (admitedly majority Polish) land from Lithuania trhough brute force no different than Hitler's strong arm tactics against them. So you could say "Hah! WHat goes around, comes around Poland! You deserved it."
But I'm not interested in humiliating Europeans and stealing their land just because they did evil in the past. I'm interested in liberating ALL of us from the jew. And going to war to steal other people's land is not the way to do it.
Yes the allies were hypocrites. But saying "WELL TEHY WERE HYPOCRITES TOO!" is not the best argument when defending Hitler as it just reduces him to their level.
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I am pointing out the fact that the brother-war between Germans and Poles led to our current state. Brother-wars ALWAYS lead to suffering and oppression for Whites and power and domination for kikes.
You can’t choose that. Even if Jesus personally would descend and become leader of Germany; wouldn’t that stop the Poles from attacking the Germans and Germany.
This irrational raving hatred of the Poles for Germany can even be observed today when Germany showers them with money they can not stop for a moment to wish death and destruction to the Germans.
First post-communist Polish President and Peace Nobel Prize bearer Lech Walesa wished to destroy Germany with nuclear weapons, said that publicly while being president!
It isn’t because the Germans are beastly, nasty to the Poles. Before Walesa could become president, he was put in jail and the communist declared marshall law. During that time many Germans (West) collected goods for Poles in need and send truck loads of aid to Poland. Many people that lost their home and property in the territories occupied by Poland did give generously.
Didn’t stop the Poles of the post-communist government to try to sabotage German reunification.
I could give many more examples.
Germans have a phrase
Es kann der Frömmste nicht in Frieden bleiben, wenn es dem bösen Nachbar nicht gefällt. Schiller
Means, the most pious man can not live a peaceful life if the evil neighbour wont let him.
My personal take on that is, that peoples and countries behaviour is predictable by their history and wont change for a long time even over drastic changes in their political organisation, ideology. That sounds pessimistic, but has proven right. The EU therefore is a catastrophe in waiting, in contrast to the declared aims, will it lead to general war in Europe.
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Even if Jesus personally would descend and become leader of Germany; wouldn’t that stop the Poles from attacking the Germans and Germany.
That's just ridiculous.
Do I even need to respond to that?
(Modern Polacks) can not stop for a moment to wish death and destruction to the Germans.
Again, that's simply ridiculous. You or someone else has accused me of being a Pole. If that is true then here is one Pole that clearly is pro-German. Go find a Pole and ask him if he wants to see Germany destroyed.
Ridiculous.
It isn’t because the Germans are beastly, nasty to the Poles.
Certainly not but of course, Poles do have a bad memory of Germany during the war. You know what probably would help make Poles hate National Socialism even more? Constantly seeing National Socialists justify the conquest, annexation, and genocide of Polish lands and peoples.
But I doubt many Poles want to annihilate Germany with nukes. Maybe Russia, but Germany? I've never met a Pole who was anti-German.
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If Hitler had made different decisions, I believe that he could have won, yes. Diplomatically or militarily. I don't believe that that is a controversial statement.
Yes but that does not have much to do with the invasion of Poland. I will say that declaring war on America was also a mistake.
And before you respond with "Oh but America blew up German ships so Hitler HAS to react to that and do what the jews wanted him to do!"
Contemplate the following;
Which is preferable?
or
Which harmed Germany less?
Yes I am sad that Germany lost because while some things Hitler did were unjust and wrong, a lot more was necessary and good. Such as eliminating jewish power in the nations he conquered. My point is that invading Poland was a mistake because it set into motion a series of events that not only destroyed Germany, but led to the near total domination of our civilization by jews.
I am not accusing Hitler of being a jewish agent, I am pointing out the fact that the brother-war between Germans and Poles led to our current state. Brother-wars ALWAYS lead to suffering and oppression for Whites and power and domination for kikes.
I am paraphrasing what you said to make it more concise. But I believe this is what you're saying.
Okay, if war in 1939 was the only way to preserve Germany, why'd he lose?
Again, anything is possible including an alliance with Poland. But you know what will guarentee that you will not get an alliance with Poland? Demanding their land and threatening war if you don't get your way. Then breaking your own agreements with them and acting like you want to conquer Europe.
No one likes aggressors. If you behave like one, you will be treated like one. Hitler was a fan of Otto Von Bismark, so he would know that you can gain a lot by appearing like the victim of someone else's aggression. He allowed France to not only attack Germany, but to invade before crushing them. Poland was no threat to Germany. Frankly, neither was France. It would have been better if he played the long game and won rather than invading everyone and losing.
It would have been wonderful if the allies were so stupid as to build up forcess in a tiny, indefensible nation surrounded by Axis sympathizers. Then, unlike at Dunkirk, Hitler could have captured the entire British army.
Yes, obviously. They were German then thus they should have belonged to Germany. And Britain and France allowed it without declaring war. As I pointed out, there were many sane British elites who didn't want another war over nothing. But Poland was too far.
In the short term. In the long term, it demonstrated to the world that Hitler was not being honest and could not be trusted.
You know that.
This is true and I often use this argument against people ranting about Hitler being evil for demanding Danzig. But teh problem with this argument is that it reduces Hitler from a righteous man seeking only to restore Germans to Germany to just another imperialistic dictator.
I mean, sure, it's not like the Poles were righteous defenders of national autonomy. You mentioned Ukraine. You could also mention that much of eastern Poland was Belarusian and they even stole some (admitedly majority Polish) land from Lithuania trhough brute force no different than Hitler's strong arm tactics against them. So you could say "Hah! WHat goes around, comes around Poland! You deserved it."
But I'm not interested in humiliating Europeans and stealing their land just because they did evil in the past. I'm interested in liberating ALL of us from the jew. And going to war to steal other people's land is not the way to do it.
Yes the allies were hypocrites. But saying "WELL TEHY WERE HYPOCRITES TOO!" is not the best argument when defending Hitler as it just reduces him to their level.
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You can’t choose that. Even if Jesus personally would descend and become leader of Germany; wouldn’t that stop the Poles from attacking the Germans and Germany.
This irrational raving hatred of the Poles for Germany can even be observed today when Germany showers them with money they can not stop for a moment to wish death and destruction to the Germans.
First post-communist Polish President and Peace Nobel Prize bearer Lech Walesa wished to destroy Germany with nuclear weapons, said that publicly while being president!
It isn’t because the Germans are beastly, nasty to the Poles. Before Walesa could become president, he was put in jail and the communist declared marshall law. During that time many Germans (West) collected goods for Poles in need and send truck loads of aid to Poland. Many people that lost their home and property in the territories occupied by Poland did give generously.
Didn’t stop the Poles of the post-communist government to try to sabotage German reunification.
I could give many more examples.
Germans have a phrase
Es kann der Frömmste nicht in Frieden bleiben, wenn es dem bösen Nachbar nicht gefällt. Schiller
Means, the most pious man can not live a peaceful life if the evil neighbour wont let him.
My personal take on that is, that peoples and countries behaviour is predictable by their history and wont change for a long time even over drastic changes in their political organisation, ideology. That sounds pessimistic, but has proven right. The EU therefore is a catastrophe in waiting, in contrast to the declared aims, will it lead to general war in Europe.
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That's just ridiculous.
Do I even need to respond to that?
Again, that's simply ridiculous. You or someone else has accused me of being a Pole. If that is true then here is one Pole that clearly is pro-German. Go find a Pole and ask him if he wants to see Germany destroyed.
Ridiculous.
Certainly not but of course, Poles do have a bad memory of Germany during the war. You know what probably would help make Poles hate National Socialism even more? Constantly seeing National Socialists justify the conquest, annexation, and genocide of Polish lands and peoples.
But I doubt many Poles want to annihilate Germany with nukes. Maybe Russia, but Germany? I've never met a Pole who was anti-German.