BTW the word 'Byzantine' didn't exist until after around 1550!
"the neologism "Byzantine Empire" was coined only in 1557 by a German historian, Hieronymus Wolf, in his work Corpus Historiæ Byzantinæ"
Any time I read something on wikipedia, my first question is, "If this is what they are ADMITTING, what are they LEAVING OUT or lying about?"
The Byzantines simply referred to themselves as the ROMAN EMPIRE. I.E. Romans.
Complete and utter hogwash.
The truth hurts, I know. History is all bullshit. Everything happened, just not when (or necessarily where) they say it happened. So all the stuff they say took place in 'Ancient' Greece and Rome did happen, but about a 1000 years later. Same goes for Indian and Chinese history (don't even get me started).
Does democracy allow undue influence for money powers, as opposed to a system such as monarchy or theocracy, yes or no?
[–] TrialsAndTribulation ago
I located all of the quotes you pulled from that great academic research tool Wikipedia, the lazy scholar's repository of some knowledge as decided upon by a few people.
Your thesis seems to be this: "Plato's work, and knowledge of it in Western Europe, is demonstrably no older than about 550-600 years old, and the 'translation' was sponsored by De Medici".
Huh? What the hell does that mean?
I believe it means you're saying that not only Plato's works but all ancient references to Plato by both his contemporaries and later neo-Platonists, including Plotinus, are fraudulent. This would mean that Plotinus is also a fiction. This also means that Augustine of Hippo, who was educated at a Platonist academy in Carthage and was influenced by Plato, is also a modern fiction.
So, where does it stop? So much of the ancient world is referenced by contemporaries over decades and centuries. Are you really saying this was all invented in the 14th/15th century by a group of "translators" inventing the whole thing?
It boggles the mind how this could happen. Stupidest theory ever.
[–] TheSeer [S] ago
I'm saying the ancient world as we know it, didn't happen when (or necessarily where) we think it did. So if Plato is Plethon, then Plotinus is just one of his students or acquaintances. Augustine of Hippo, look at when HIS ORDER was founded? 1254.
"Many Protestants, especially Calvinists and Lutherans, consider him to be one of the theological fathers of the Protestant Reformation due to his teachings on salvation and divine grace."
So what makes more sense, for this Augustine of Hippo to have done his work in the period 1440-1500, just before the Protestant Reformation, or hundreds of years earlier?
If you like Plato's work, you can STILL like Plato's work (or in this case Plethon's work). What changes is WHEN it was written, and widely distributed.
In the 1200-1300s almost no one had read the Bible. It didn't even exist in entirety, but some had read the Gospels, Proverbs, Psalms, etc. When do you think countries started adopting the BC/AD dating method?
Here's a good one. When was cement/concrete developed? It was used to build the Pantheon, right? So surely concrete was widely used thereafter?
[–] TrialsAndTribulation ago
Here's a useful rule of thumb: If a person's new theory or system completely repudiates everything that preceded it and replaces it all with a sweeping new conception of how things work, tends to be all-encompassing, and is a self-contained paradigm the requires multiple new but unproven concepts to reinforce the whole, that person is probably a crank. Such a person has too much imagination and not enough understanding or knowledge, and often too much ego and self-importance.
[–] TrialsAndTribulation ago
"So what makes more sense, for this Augustine of Hippo to have done his work in the period 1440-1500, just before the Protestant Reformation, or hundreds of years earlier?"
Augustine did not form the order named after him. He died in the fifth century in North Africa and there's abundant proof for that. It's clear you have no idea what you're talking about.
Plus you didn't address my point on this imaginary fraudulent and hoaxed history you claim Plethon wrote.