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[–] DestroyerOfSaturn 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Vaccines could be useful if done properly. However, there's no money in cures. So the truth of the matter is trust no doctor/vaccine.

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[–] Doglegwarrior 1 point 2 points (+3|-1) ago 

The first post is bs. Most doctors give their kids vaccines. If they were truly that bad that would not be happening. An example my wife a nurse and my friend who is a pharmacist do not like the flu shot. They think it is bullshit. But they both are ok with vaccines. But the movie vaxxed that was on amazon did a great job of explaining the situation. The big whistle blowers were not anti vaccine theybwere against giving young kids so many vaccines at one time and wanted them adminstered in a safer way. Theybwere also mad vaccines somehow do not have to go through the normal fda system of determining if a drug is safe for human use. This seems insane but its the truth. Also many cdc employeez ended up profiting big time after leaving the cdc and working for companies making and selling vaccines.

Also the fucking black cdc guy who died mysteriousoy had to have been killed it made no sense at all. And if you dont think corporations will kill someone who might end a billion dollar industry you are nieve

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[–] The_Cat 3 points -2 points (+1|-3) ago 

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[–] shammydavisjr 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Great info . . . . have been looking for a list like this

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[–] observation1 3 points 1 point (+4|-3) ago 

Unvaccinated are not nearly as susceptible to cancer in their later years of life.

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[–] Ken_bingo2 0 points 2 points (+2|-0) ago 

The macro effects on immune function are completely unstudied.

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[–] observation1 ago 

Completely untrue

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[–] Ifckstacy 0 points 14 points (+14|-0) ago 

Top teir post. I usually avoid the autism arguement when debating the vaccine issue, but this is gonna come in handy.

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[–] Tallest_Skil 4 points 25 points (+29|-4) ago  (edited ago)

Currently there are two black and white opinions. They are:

  1. All vaccines are bad.
  2. All vaccines are good.

It doesn’t take much to realize with such an important medical related issue that those opinions are equally dangerous. If one is to properly evaluate the safety of vaccines, one must remember there are thousands of different vaccines around the world today. They are developed and made by dozens of different companies and researchers in dozens of different countries with thousands of different rules and regulations regarding to vaccine manufacturing.

Each vaccine is made for a different purpose, for dozens of diseases, and for different patients. It is impossible for all vaccines to be either good or bad. Due to statistical probability, it is fair to say some vaccines are definitely good and some are definitely bad. Some are made with noble intentions, others with sinister intentions (profit being an example). Some are made to combat genuine threats, others made when they don’t really need to be. Some are made under the best conditions, others made on the bottom dollar. If we can all accept these basic truths, we may be able to start having a decent conversation about vaccines.

There are zero arguments for vaccines–as a concept–being “bullshit.” There are great arguments for why flu (and other fast-mutating infectious disease) vaccines are bullshit. There are lots of great arguments for why vaccines shouldn’t be given in “bulk” shots all at once, or with large needles in an infant’s thigh, and so on. There are lots of great arguments for why vaccines don’t need to be given with their various contaminants and “preservatives.”

Vaccines expose us to weakened–or literally dead–parts of infectious agents. This is like showing a bunch of nationalists videos of invading forces and how to identify them. It gets your immune system ready and capable of identifying the threat. The flu and other fast mutating viruses change enough in the time it takes to make a mass vaccine that the vaccine is no longer effective against the current strain. The vaccine also weakens your immune system temporarily, making it busy–in essence, the opposite effect of what the vaccine should be doing–and they are recommended at times when your immune system should not be overloaded like that. Bulk shots suffer from the same problem, as well as often being contaminated and loaded heavily with preservatives. Large injections cause undue pain and stress for children. (multi-shots) Preservatives don’t need to be in most vaccines if they are stored properly. None of them will kill you, but all of them are unnecessarily exposing you to chemicals that don’t need to be in your body in any amount. Contaminants also can be entirely removed from vaccines, but are not because of the cost profit motive.

Vaccines can prevent certain diseases and save, possibly, millions of lives. This is true. The issue is not whether or not vaccines can be safe and effective. They can. The issue is not whether or not they "work.” They usually do. The issue is whether or not the vaccines created by certain drug companies are safe and effective. The evidence suggests that they are not. Certain companies are either cutting corners or intentionally poisoning people. Vaccines are given to babies and small children when their brains are at their most vulnerable to developmental disruption.

Most vaccines contain mercury and aluminum as, supposedly, stabilizing agents. Aluminum and mercury both cause nerve damage and disruption to proper nerve growth and development. This, alone, is a five alarm red-alert level of problem that should be being investigated immediately. Instead, anyone who questions the safety of vaccines is criticized. If they are in a position in the medical industry, they will likely lose their job or lose advancement opportunity. Or be killed.

Also, in many countries it is illegal to refuse vaccinating children. Now, ✡who✡ in power would be interested in creating a lower class population with brain damage to make them confused, have lower critical thinking skills, and be less intelligent? Hmm. Maybe the same people who put fluoride–a neurotoxin–into the water supply, atrazine (a herbicide) into the water supply (it has powerful feminizing effects), pushed “the pill” onto entire generations of women and teenagers, which both causes brain damage in the user and feminizing chemical runoff in their urine that is not properly removed by water treatment plants, and so on and so forth. Almost like they want us stupid and emasculated so we won’t fight back as they kill us all off with degeneracy, feminism, miscegenation, and nonwhite immigration. Almost like it’s part of the ongoing genocide of white America and the white world.

There is something EXTREMELY suspicious about the vaccine industry. Again, “healthy” vaccines should be possible. But, in their current form, are vaccines causing harmful side-affects like brain damage leading to autism and other such things? Yes, they are.

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[–] Ocelot 1 point 0 points (+1|-1) ago 

Excellent comment. Half the time I think you're totally mad but this sums up perfectly how I've felt about vaxes for a while.

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[–] etherael 1 point -1 points (+0|-1) ago 

Where would one find what would be considered a "standard" regime of vaccine shots taken by location in the world? Is that information readily available anywhere? Asking because sounds like you would know.

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[–] Tallest_Skil 1 point 1 point (+2|-1) ago 

It will obviously depend on your own country, but here’s the US schedule.

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[–] KinkRaven 2 points -1 points (+1|-2) ago 

If you think I'm exaggerating I've seen people claiming polio never existed.

They are disinfo shills, there is clearly some people with deep pockets that don't want people investigating environmental reasons for the ASD bloom.

What we call Autism is really Autism Spectrum Disorder, which really means "these kids have autistic behaviours but are not genetically autistic"

The research however is pointing towards Roundup as the source of the many health issues to enter since the 90s when it was introduced.

These vaccines ate grown using cow tissue, the cows eat roundup laced feed and boom you have roundup in the vaccines, which just makes it worse.

They aren't the source otherwise we would have had the ASD bloom earlier. They appear to be an aggravator

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[–] badruns 2 points 3 points (+5|-2) ago  (edited ago)

I read that the symptoms between polio sufferers are quite similar with those that had over exposure to pesticides like DDT. Like... The same symptoms. And that "polio" was on the rise at the same time pesticide use in the US was on the rise... And most cases occurred during summer, when pesticide spraying was most common... I'm open to the idea that the polio epidemic isn't what we thought it was.

Companies like Monsanto have really good lobbyists for this sort of thing. They almost wipe out all honey bees in existence and most people don't even know about it.

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[–] altident 4 points -2 points (+2|-4) ago 

How many people today have autism vs how many people 80 years ago had literally any disease we vaccinate against?

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[–] KinkRaven 2 points 2 points (+4|-2) ago 

How many people had chronic fatigue, ADHD, anxiety, depression, fibro , diverculitus, etc etc

Its not a vaccine issue, its a food supply issue. Hint all these issues bloomed in the 90s...hmm I wonder what was introduce to the food supply chain around then...

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[–] altident ago  (edited ago)

How many people had chronic fatigue, ADHD, anxiety, depression

Probably tons but there wasn't any ability or purpose to diagnose the issues without any type of available treatment. Plenty of old stories out there involving hyperactive kids, overly nervous or gloomy adults, etc.

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[–] lanre 0 points 4 points (+4|-0) ago 

It doesn't have to be all or nothing. I don't usually agree with tallest shill but he raises a good point that we should have higher standards for vaccines, and they shouldn't be treated as a harmless thing that you can give people any number of without any adverse effects.

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[–] altident 0 points 1 point (+1|-0) ago  (edited ago)

I don't think that many people think there is no possibility of adverse effects. They literally give you a pamphlet outlining all the potential adverse effects when you go in for vaccination. So at that point it becomes a question of likelihood, and if you're considerably more likely to develop polio (or anything else) without a vaccine than you are to develop autism (or anything else) with a vaccine, then there shouldn't really be much debate about the issue. Especially since autism isn't contagious.

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